EV general discussion

cuke2u said:
Fair enough and you are entitled to your opinion and I've driven worse cars. It's not a bad car however for something costing nearly £50k new, if I spec similar options that my BMW has got, it is an indecent amount for just a Skoda. Skoda aren't offering much in the way of incentives either.
I just felt, when driving, that the car was neutral enough but a detached feeling from what the car was doing, the brakes were not very good and I felt a lack of confidence in them because of the long pedal travel and no initial bite, plus the fact it wasn't particularly quick in the 80 form either, my old A3 with a 1.5 engine was better. I would say that the dynamics aren't much better than our 1.0 fiesta.
I would hope that the 85 version is improved.

The interior also doesn't live up to the car's cost either with some fairly low rent plastics around, particularly the inside door handles. If those are ignored then it is a fairly nice place to sit.

I think Skoda have a problem with the coupe as they are trying to sell at the same price range as other premium EV's that are better, but it has still the Skoda stigma.
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I’d agree on the interior some of the plastics are proper low rent. In general the list price is mad, but it is for all EV’s really. I tried the Korean offerings, Nissan Ariya and the smaller Mercs. They are all much of a muchness.

The price is less of a concern for me as it’s a company car, try speccing the equivalent BMW or Merc, and it’s eye watering.
 
Tinders said:
I’d agree on the interior some of the plastics are proper low rent. In general the list price is mad, but it is for all EV’s really. I tried the Korean offerings, Nissan Ariya and the smaller Mercs. They are all much of a muchness.

The price is less of a concern for me as it’s a company car, try speccing the equivalent BMW or Merc, and it’s eye watering.
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Yeah i have noticed with BMW, Merc , Audi and Porsche that the option list costs are even mroe eyewatering than their ICE cars used to be and so easy to add £20k to the list price now.

Even simple things like electric retracting towbar. The big german manufacturers charge between £1200 and £1500. Koreans a more sensible £650.

Audi wanting £300 for 4 rubber mats is a joke as well.
 
Hmm.

Looking at EV (new and used) as I can now do salary sacrifice on used EVs (40 percent off)

Not sure if it's worth it or not as I don't commute.

Trying to work out costs of just keeping the old banger vs one of these.

But hard to know as only do weekend trips really.

Really hard to work out costs of the banger vs costs of the EV. As don't really know how much spend on maintenance.
For example if the gearbox fault comes back that'll be a 2k cost. Obviously can't predict future. But it's difficult to compare easily.
 
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413x said:
Hmm.

Looking at EV (new and used) as I can now do salary sacrifice on used EVs (40 percent off)

Not sure if it's worth it or not as I don't commute.

Trying to work out costs of just keeping the old banger vs one of these.

But hard to know as only do weekend trips really.

Really hard to work out costs of the banger vs costs of the EV. As don't really know how much spend on maintenance.
For example if the gearbox fault comes back that'll be a 2k cost. Obviously can't predict future. But it's difficult to compare easily.
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How many miles do you do and how many trips are over 200 miles. Not sure why commute is relevant
 
Simon said:
How many miles do you do and how many trips are over 200 miles. Not sure why commute is relevant
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Some over 200 miles, but rarely, Family is 200 miles and 250 miles away.
Mainly weekend trips to beach, walks etc.

No commute means a lot Less miles than typical person. And also means less "need" for a car.
 
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413x said:
Some over 200 miles, but rarely, Family is 200 miles and 250 miles away.
Mainly weekend trips to beach, walks etc.

No commute means a lot Less miles than typical person. And also means less "need" for a car.
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This is pretty much the worst use case for an EV to be honest. You get the cost and inconvenience of public charging on longer journeys, but none of the cost savings of home charging and convenience of having a full "tank" every morning ready to drive to work.
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s generally cheaper if you normally lease/PCP a new or nearly new car.

If you don’t, it’s probably not cheaper.
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indeed. if its an old banger vs an EV capable of 200 mile range, then the cost is a tough sell............... i did a 410 mile round journey at the weekend (200 miles each way and a bit in the middle) and it was brilliant, only costing around £10 in electricity.

but even so the cost of the car and its depreciation along with insurance is such that its never going to compete with vs keeping an older car.

Where EVs come into their own imo is either if you can get a brand new one on a lease, even more so if company car - as in if you are getting a new car anyway and you can charge at home then an EV is pretty much an easy choice for a lot of people.

OR if you are getting a new to you 2nd hand car and looking to spend £15k upwards, and again then EVs can make sense.

but comparing a lets say £3k older car but in otherwise ok condition to an EV with a view to doing rare 200mile+ journeys in it, then the £3k car is going to be better if looking purely monetarily.

1 use case which i think is used in other countries a lot but not really considered much in the uk AFAIK even tho it would be a good fit for a lot of us.

those who have a lets say 40 mile daily, and then do maybe 200 miles + each way a handful of times a year. I wonder if rather than pushing the boat out on a long range car makes sense there, or if it would be better to get a cheaper EV for 90% of driving, then hire a car for those rare long jaunts.
 
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413x said:
Really hard to work out costs of the banger vs costs of the EV. As don't really know how much spend on maintenance.
For example if the gearbox fault comes back that'll be a 2k cost. Obviously can't predict future. But it's difficult to compare easily.
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Banger costs should be simple, average out historical costs to a monthly amount and use that going forward, if you are lucky like me and run a massively reliable Italian banger (yes really ) it’ll be cheap, if it’s like my dodgy Japanese motor ( It’s not bad really, track car, spends most of its time at redline ) it’ll be costly.

bigmike20vt said:
but comparing a lets say £3k older car but in otherwise ok condition to an EV with a view to doing 200mile + journeys in it, then the £3k car is going to be better if looking purely monetarily.
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Indeed, this is pretty much where I am, my old banger is enough for anything I need and costs less to keep and run on the road than the insurance on whatever I would replace it with, but sometimes, you just have to ignore the money and just get what you want because you want it :D

I can’t think of any place a new car makes sense to anyone who is not getting some lucrative tax incentive from it. We spent ages doing the math on all sorts of cars when I last bought, came to the conclusion nothing new makes sense, when you look at the loss financially, but decided, ah screw it and did it anyway :D

At some point something I drive will excite me enough to send my old banger to the scrapper and I'll blow another wad of dough but after 13years in this thing I am at the point where I just fancy something new as its so lovely when I waft about in the family car with all its tech, comfort and luxury.
 
413x said:
Hmm.

Looking at EV (new and used) as I can now do salary sacrifice on used EVs (40 percent off)

Not sure if it's worth it or not as I don't commute.

Trying to work out costs of just keeping the old banger vs one of these.

But hard to know as only do weekend trips really.

Really hard to work out costs of the banger vs costs of the EV. As don't really know how much spend on maintenance.
For example if the gearbox fault comes back that'll be a 2k cost. Obviously can't predict future. But it's difficult to compare easily.
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Totally pointless. Get something geared up for the 20% of use cases --- an EV fits the 80% of a "normal" life (commuting day to day).

Alphard would be right up your street.
 
413x said:
Some over 200 miles, but rarely, Family is 200 miles and 250 miles away.
Mainly weekend trips to beach, walks etc.

No commute means a lot Less miles than typical person. And also means less "need" for a car.
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You just paying monthly depreciation then. With little running cost savings
 
Been driving my Tesla S less and less. Just no real advantages to it in favor of other cars. Huge depreciation on it as well but to be expected. I'd feel sorry for someone who purchased on new at same time as me must be a blood bath.
 
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