EV general discussion

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SAIC have been identified as the largest MFG that is state supported. I don't see anything changing there. It will all get probably a lot worse when Trump arrives

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Yup, still can't see the EU sticking to a 38% tariff for them in addition to the existing 10%.

BMW, Mercedes, VW et al sell heavily into China as luxury brands so they would be putting that at risk in a tit-for-tat trade war.

Time will tell though of course.
 
Having a look and test drive of the Honda e:NY1 tomorrow. Honda garage just rang and had a nice chat about all things electric. The deal is heavily subsidised at the moment so they can make their electric sales quota. 0% apr, £3,500 dealer contribution, and 5 year care pack included (warranty, servicing, roadside, etc). Really good deal I feel. Proof will be in how it drives. However looks wise I think it is (with the upgraded alloys) a nice looking SUV. Mid 7s 0-62 and over 256 range (quoted) and 6hr to charge to 80%. We shall see!
 
My general rule of thumb for range is to take the quoted figure and take off 30% and that will roughly represent how far it will go in winter on the motorway at 70 with a small buffer at the end. In summer that will likely improve to 15%.

What’s the final price on one of these?
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
My general rule of thumb for range is to take the quoted figure and take off 30% and that will roughly represent how far it will go in winter on the motorway at 70 with a small buffer at the end. In summer that will likely improve to 15%.

What’s the final price on one of these?
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Agree yeah I'd take 20% off that. I think if it says 256 I'd be thinking more like 200. What do you mean by the final price, the optinal final purchase price?
 
Firegod said:
Agree yeah I'd take 20% off that. I think if it says 256 I'd be thinking more like 200. What do you mean by the final price, the optinal final purchase price?
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I mean however much it’s costing you for the period you are contracted to own it.

E.g. if it’s financed to buy outright, the total cost or if it’s a PCP, the cost for the X year period, balloon payment and guaranteed value.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I mean however much it’s costing you for the period you are contracted to own it.

E.g. if it’s financed to buy outright, the total cost or if it’s a PCP, the cost for the X year period, balloon payment and guaranteed value.
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This is from the finance calc on the website:
  • 47 monthly payments of £333.31
  • Interest Rate P.A. (Fixed) 0.00%
  • APR representative 0.0%
  • On the Road (OTR) Price* £41,585.00
  • Customer Deposit* £5,500.00
  • Honda Deposit Contribution* £3,500.00
  • Total deposit £9,000.00
  • Total amount of credit £32,585.00
  • Total charge for credit £0.00
  • Total Amount Payable £41,585.00
  • Optional Final Payment inclusive of Option To Purchase Fee £16,919.47
  • Excess Mileage 11.54p
 
So £21k or £438/month for 4 years, I’m not sure how that stacks up in the market these days.

I had an email from Tesla the other day to say they are knocking out Model Y’s RWD for £400/month on a 3 year lease and 15k miles of free charging if you take delivery by Sunday!

Have you checked all the usual brokers etc. for better deals?
 
Firegod said:
Having a look and test drive of the Honda e:NY1 tomorrow. Honda garage just rang and had a nice chat about all things electric. The deal is heavily subsidised at the moment so they can make their electric sales quota. 0% apr, £3,500 dealer contribution, and 5 year care pack included (warranty, servicing, roadside, etc). Really good deal I feel. Proof will be in how it drives. However looks wise I think it is (with the upgraded alloys) a nice looking SUV. Mid 7s 0-62 and over 256 range (quoted) and 6hr to charge to 80%. We shall see!
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They were giving away these on PCH for sub £200 per month not too long ago. I'd see what Q3 brings at the start of July tbh.

That deal is £22k over 4 years,!
 
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Yeh they aren’t worth paying that much. Bodged EV really and my mates doesn’t seem that efficient. But he did get the mega deal with no deposit and about £200 a month
 
Bounce said:
Got my new car delivered today, so far really impressed with how relaxed and comfortable it is to drive.


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Nice

@Firegod you can get the 87kWh version of this for less than the Honda.

leasing.com

Nissan Ariya Hatchback

£299.97 Per Month, INC VAT. 225kW Advance 87kWh 22kWCh 5dr e-4ORCE Auto on a Personal 23 month term with a 6 month deposit and an annual mileage allowance of 5,000 miles.
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Under £9k for 2 years, and it's a pretty high spec model.
 
Journey said:
Nice

@Firegod you can get the 87kWh version of this for less than the Honda.

leasing.com

Nissan Ariya Hatchback

£299.97 Per Month, INC VAT. 225kW Advance 87kWh 22kWCh 5dr e-4ORCE Auto on a Personal 23 month term with a 6 month deposit and an annual mileage allowance of 5,000 miles.
leasing.com leasing.com

Under £9k for 2 years, and it's a pretty high spec model.
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Thanks, range is 330 miles according to manufacturer but I’ll report back on the real world figures when Iv tested it. I do a fair amount of motorway driving so expect this to be closer to 220 mile range when doing 70mph on the motorway.
 
Not seen it mentioned yet but the Hyundai Inster looks interesting for a tiny little car. For such a small car, that rear leg room was impressive. Lets hope it brings some much needed competition to this end of the market.


As much as Jack talked about millennials, this looks ideal for your average Honda Jazz buyer, aka your nan.
 
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Anybody seen this report on the BBC news website? They are claiming charging a battery from 10-80% in under 5 minutes and with one of their own chargers 0-100% in 6 minutes!! Granted it requires a 350kw charger but this is good progress.
 
While I think its great there all this new technology. Love reading about it.

I think there should be some attention that most people don't need super fast charging or long range for the vast majority of their driving.
 
It's not about what you need but what conveniences it provides, no one wants to waste anytime charging if they can avoid it, those with wealth that have EVs and driveways are in a luxurious position but for EVs to be a good solution it has to work for everybody in every scenario, things like this will go someway to doing that. Of course more destination chargers everywhere would be more useful.
 
sandys said:
It's not about what you need but what conveniences it provides, no one wants to waste anytime charging if they can avoid it, those with wealth that have EVs and driveways are in a luxurious position but for EVs to be a good solution it has to work for everybody in every scenario, things like this will go someway to doing that. Of course more destination chargers everywhere would be more useful.
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Diesels don't work for short journeys and a 4 seater VW Up won't work for a family of 5 on driving holiday. Who wants to want to waste time driving to petrol stations either.

But every time I look at a car review none of thats mentioned. Because if you are buying a small city car really they should mention it doesn't have the 1000km range of a diesel A6 Avant, or luggage capacity.

This is why people use a 2 ton vehicle to drive to the local shop.
 
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