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Journey said:
Don't overpay for one. Just under £21k for a brand new pre reg one - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202408203076941?.

They also have a metric crap tonne of stock landed in the UK right now, so you won't be short of options come the end of the month/in to October as you'll never get the best deal in September being new reg month.

How long do you intend to keep the car? Some good PCH deals if you are looking at 3 years, ~£9-10k/£270 per month, nothing up front.
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To be honest I'd want the Trophy version - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202408203080146?advert-type=dealer-stock&advertising-location=at_cars&advertising-location=at_profile_cars&fromDealerSearchResults=/retailer/stock?advanced=true&advertising-location=at_cars&advertising-location=at_profile_cars&dealer=10020299&make=MG&model=MG4&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&page=1&sort=price-desc&advanced=true&dpp=10020299&model=MG4&make=MG&sort=price-desc

I'm looking at tthis one tomorrow which just so happens to be about 200 yards from my office at the hospital - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...&model=MG4&postcode=ST3 2DJ&radius=10&fromsra

I'll pay cash and we'll run the car nearly into the ground.
I am waiting for a lump sum to come from my NHS Pension (imminent) so not buying until then.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
I'll pay cash and we'll run the car nearly into the ground.
I am waiting for a lump sum to come from my NHS Pension (imminent) so not buying until then
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If you are doing that, aren't you better off dumping £20k into a three year fixed savings, netting you about £2k in interest over 36 months after the monthlies are deducted, and getting one of the cheap PCH deals, then picking up a 3 year old car for £10k if you still like it?
 
out of curiosity does anyone have a gut feel how much things like teslas will drop in value when their battery warranty runs out? Also when it comes to warranty i assume its only tesla centres which there isn't to many. My nearest would be 100 miles which depending on fault would be challenging.
 
JustBen said:
out of curiosity does anyone have a gut feel how much things like teslas will drop in value when their battery warranty runs out? Also when it comes to warranty i assume its only tesla centres which there isn't to many. My nearest would be 100 miles which depending on fault would be challenging.
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They have mobile service cars for a lot of warranty issues. At least 3 occasions our resident Tesla owner at work has had a guy rock up to fix his Model S in the carpark.
 
3rd party extended battery warranties will/are becoming a care about to restore confidence/value in ev's nearing 100K/3rd owner like the tesla example in video.
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No one cared anyway
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£15K ev choice nero / mg4 / id3 £15K ... : privately the cost of insurance on the ID3 is the compelling part £400 versus near £600 for the others, because of repair costs, residuals thus on ID3's side too.
 
jpaul said:
3rd party extended battery warranties will/are becoming a care about to restore confidence/value in ev's nearing 100K/3rd owner like the tesla example in video.
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£15K ev choice nero / mg4 / id3 £15K ... : privately the cost of insurance on the ID3 is the compelling part £400 versus near £600 for the others, because of repair costs, residuals thus on ID3's side too.
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There's no way I would choose my next car based on a £200 difference in insurance costs

Who does that :cry:
 
JustBen said:
out of curiosity does anyone have a gut feel how much things like teslas will drop in value when their battery warranty runs out? Also when it comes to warranty i assume its only tesla centres which there isn't to many. My nearest would be 100 miles which depending on fault would be challenging.
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google HEVRA garages near you, and when you find one give them a call and ask....... AFAIK so long as they use official parts legally a car company cant force you to use a main dealer (unless it is complementary work, not sure then).... and hell some of them are so swamped it may be better not to anyway.

as for how much the value of the car will drop....... have a google at Tesla model S prices to get an idea, some of those are out of battery warranty now i would expect..
 
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bigmike20vt said:
realistically on long journeys with mostly motorway in i tend to be 2.9 - 3.0 miles per kw which makes the maths even worse! for me its ok though as i just take the odd rip off rapid charge as a rare necessity, like when i used to have to change the oil on my old performance(ish) cars..
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Oof, that's pretty low - is that in winter?

Even in relatively cold weather with a roof box on, I've not gone below 3.2 on the motorway, in decent weather I get ~3.7 cruising at 75 indicated (so pretty much dead on 70 on the GPS).

pc-guy said:
Charge at Tesla, I would say. 51p peak or 43p off peak without membership.

If you charge battery full twice in one trip then you are better off with a one off membership £8.99 as it will lower the rate to 41p/35p

Using the Tesla chargers is exactly what I did on our recent south wales trip.
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If there was a Tesla charger en-route or with a minor detour I would have done, but the nearest one would have added 40 miles/1hr to the journey.
 
chanjy said:
There's no way I would choose my next car based on a £200 difference in insurance costs
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I take insurance cost as indicative of repair costs (plus in the case of sexy's ev list all pretty much same power, too)
e: I mean consumable brakes, suspension parts, ... not just accident repair

e2: I mean this one from my email was ludicrous
The cheapest quote we found for your TESLA MODEL-3 STANDARD RANGE PLUS insurance was £858.02
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Hi Paul,
Thank you for using Insure247 to compare car insurance quotes.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
google HEVRA garages near you, and when you find one give them a call and ask....... AFAIK so long as they use official parts legally a car company cant force you to use a main dealer (unless it is complementary work, not sure then).... and hell some of them are so swamped it may be better not to anyway.

as for how much the value of the car will drop....... have a google at Tesla model S prices to get an idea, some of those are out of battery warranty now i would expect..
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Thanks, had a look, nearest is 1 hour 40 mins away. One of those ones where in time i suspect some more local ones will get on the list.
 
Haggisman said:
Oof, that's pretty low - is that in winter?

Even in relatively cold weather with a roof box on, I've not gone below 3.2 on the motorway, in decent weather I get ~3.7 cruising at 75 indicated (so pretty much dead on 70 on the GPS).
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I love my car but efficiency isnt its strong suit :D

It does have a chunky old battery which is why i still get safely over 200 miles out of it (about 220miles range when i do the 200 mile jaunt to my folks from near cambridge to chester in winter (or have done so far... i have not driven in really cold conditions that far yet) and 260 miles in summer.

that is with cruise set at 74. if it were REALLY cold/wet or windy i would either factor in a splash and dash stop or go slower.

That said, i have just fitted 4 new tyres on the car. They are direct replacements, good year eagle sport all season, however the old tyres were old (2020 vintage, 6 months older than my car) and just touching the new ones the rubber feels "grippier" than the old tyres, and whilst i have not done a long journey yet, my initial feeling is my efficiency has dropped a little more with the new boots on.
 
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jpaul said:
I take insurance cost as indicative of repair costs (plus in the case of sexy's ev list all pretty much same power, too)
e: I mean consumable brakes, suspension parts, ... not just accident repair

e2: I mean this one from my email was ludicrous
The cheapest quote we found for your TESLA MODEL-3 STANDARD RANGE PLUS insurance was £858.02
View your quotes
Hi Paul,
Thank you for using Insure247 to compare car insurance quotes.
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Doesn’t mean you are gonna get one anytime soon, you’ve been searching for a BMW that doesn’t exist for long enough let alone more tedious word soup here.

The snippet of your insurance quote email… I’m mean do we need to waste bandwidth looking at that?!
 
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Journey said:
If you are doing that, aren't you better off dumping £20k into a three year fixed savings, netting you about £2k in interest over 36 months after the monthlies are deducted, and getting one of the cheap PCH deals, then picking up a 3 year old car for £10k if you still like it?
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I'll be honest you're talking Japanese, I have no idea about money however I'll show my wife what you wrote.
Thanks

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I know what you're on about now.
 
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@SexyGreyFox Nissan Leaf won't do 200 miles on a charge, currently around 150-155 miles and most likely around 120-130 in the winter. There is a Leaf E+ that has a 62kWh battery, and a 239-mile WLTP range but they seem to be quite rare. There is a new Leaf coming next year and of course it's going to be a SUV that looks just like every other SUV.

The thing I like about the interior of the Leaf is that everything "flows" nicely with no screens sticking out as if it was a afterthought unlike most EV's.
 
pastymuncher said:
@SexyGreyFox Nissan Leaf won't do 200 miles on a charge, currently around 150-155 miles and most likely around 120-130 in the winter. There is a Leaf E+ that has a 62kWh battery, and a 239-mile WLTP range but they seem to be quite rare. There is a new Leaf coming next year and of course it's going to be a SUV that looks just like every other SUV.

The thing I like about the interior of the Leaf is that everything "flows" nicely with no screens sticking out as if it was a afterthought unlike most EV's.
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I specified 200+ for an EV because I know they should be able to do 100 miles in the worst conditions.
EV Database is a great site for user knowledge on this stuff.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
I specified 200+ for an EV because I know they should be able to do 100 miles in the worst conditions.
EV Database is a great site for user knowledge on this stuff.
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The other thing to consider with the Leaf is the "Betamax" Chademo connector, rather than CCS. While there are still a good number of Chademo equipped rapids, CCS is far more common. Not an issue if you never/rarely need to use a public rapid charger, but worth bearing in mind if you do...

eNiro/Kona (basically the same car) will do 200 miles in all but the absolute worst conditions (assuming you get the 64kwh and not the 39kwh)
 
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Haggisman said:
The other thing to consider with the Leaf is the "Betamax" Chademo connector, rather than CCS. While there are still a good number of Chademo equipped rapids, CCS is far more common. Not an issue if you never/rarely need to use a public rapid charger, but worth bearing in mind if you do...

eNiro/Kona (basically the same car) will do 200 miles in all but the absolute worst conditions (assuming you get the 64kwh and not the 39kwh)
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We have already chosen the MG MG4 Trophy, I don't think we'll be shaken from this unless it comers down to money.
 
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Proper noob question here but a hypothetical 13kWh charge covers a daily commute.

If that 13kWh was added back daily over 6 hours from a 3 Pin @ 10A what would the rough efficiency be compared to the same charge done over 2 hours from a proper 7kW charger?

Just looking for a ball park but, all other things being equal, would we be looking at a 1, 5, 10, 20% difference in efficiency between the two?
 
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