EV general discussion

[Yaayuh!]

I have adaptive cruise now on the new mg5 and it's good on open roads but not smart enough to drive well on busy motorways. If a car pulls in in front of me it pulls back too hard instead of slowly adjusting to form a new gap. If I change lanes to overtake it is slow to react and doesn't step up to the higher speed until I'm fully in the new lane. Tldr it's anticipation of the future is poor resulting in a jerky drive.

Have you tried it in other driving modes (assuming you have them)?
Previous cars we've had with ACC have been fine (except the Ovlov, but it's 14 years old!), but the Tavvy is slow to accelerate in range mode, for obvious reasons, but other modes are fine.

 

[danlightbulb]

Have you tried it in other driving modes (assuming you have them)?
Previous cars we've had with ACC have been fine (except the Ovlov, but it's 14 years old!), but the Tavvy is slow to accelerate in range mode, for obvious reasons, but other modes are fine.

I only ever use the standard mode. But it's not the acceleration that's the issue - when the car decides the way is clear it quickly gets up to speed - it's the lag before the car decides the way is clear that's the issue.

And the opposite when a car pulls in front of me, the car overreacts and slams on the anchors.

 

[FerretBoy]

Thanks for your honest answer, yeah most ev's seem to have a limit on their top speed. I have driven both the Polestar 2, the ex30 and the ec40 twin motors but they do not give me the same feeling, charisma or seat of the pants driving my current car has, plus it'll still do over 300 miles a tank full when pushing very hard. At some point I know I'll have to cave in become Mr Sensible and go EV and I've got my eyes on two currently, one being the Cupra Tavascan and will test drive this early next. Hopefully the VRS version will be out soon and this government gives us some proper financial incentive to change.

For what it's worth my model 3 has a top speed of 160mph, but the acceleration noticeably drops off.

As for driving dynamics ICE cars offer a lot a lot of things that introduce instability and thus are definitely more involving. The downside is that they are utterly unresponsive. I wouldn't be able to go back because of this.

When I hired a V8 in the US, it had all the noise and drama, but I couldn't get over how long it took to respond to the accelerator.

 

[lordrobs]

I only ever use the standard mode. But it's not the acceleration that's the issue - when the car decides the way is clear it quickly gets up to speed - it's the lag before the car decides the way is clear that's the issue.

And the opposite when a car pulls in front of me, the car overreacts and slams on the anchors.

Sounds a bit like the system I had in the Leon. I found myself switching that off far more in traffic for the reasons you've mentioned than I do with my current car. This one will start picking up speed as soon as you indicate to change lanes, has a bit more flexibility in the gap that it leaves and is more logical when approaching slower cars reducing speed earlier and hitting the brakes less.

The only thing I do now is hit the pause button when someone pulls into a gap that doesn't really exist to stop the car braking. Instead I'll let the gap naturally build off the throttle and then click the ACC back on.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I only ever use the standard mode. But it's not the acceleration that's the issue - when the car decides the way is clear it quickly gets up to speed - it's the lag before the car decides the way is clear that's the issue.

And the opposite when a car pulls in front of me, the car overreacts and slams on the anchors.

The former is not abnormal, the system can’t read your mind or the minds of others. Some are better than others mind and many do have some flexibility in terms of the gap and do build more speed if you indicate and start moving over, yours sounds pretty simple in the way it’s programmed.

Does your car not allow you to use the throttle to build up its speed as you initiate the overtake?

 

[danlightbulb]

Does your car not allow you to use the throttle to build up its speed as you initiate the overtake?

Yeah. I don't bother though, I just turn it off if there is moderate traffic, it's more hassle than it's worth.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I have adaptive cruise now on the new mg5 and it's good on open roads but not smart enough to drive well on busy motorways. If a car pulls in in front of me it pulls back too hard instead of slowly adjusting to form a new gap. If I change lanes to overtake it is slow to react and doesn't step up to the higher speed until I'm fully in the new lane. Tldr it's anticipation of the future is poor resulting in a jerky drive.

The MG4 is fine with this and for overtaking I just use the accelerator and then Cruise Control takes over when I take my foot off.
I was in heavy slow/stopped traffic last night and the Cruise just did all the work for me but there was a couple of times where I had to prompt it with my foot.
I use it everywhere eg we're going out now on 30 mph roads and it will be on, last night was mainly 50mph and then 70mph A50 and it was on all the time.
Sometimes I have to brake which turns it off but a quick shove up of the left joystick and it's back on.
I think it's great, lane assistance and lane change are a PITA though but if I'm on a dual carriageway or motorway I'll turn them off.

 

[Demon]

I love driving cars, but only when the drive is interesting, on boring journeys I love all the tech and find EVs just work best with it.

I throw the adaptive cruise if on the motorway in my Mustang as well, why would I not? It reduces the workload enough to be a tangible benefit and in busier more variable traffic its a god send and genuinely makes me much more relaxed about traffic (I hate stop/start traffic).

In the ID.3 and Model Y, I can jump on the M5 at Chelters and pretty much drive to Plymouth with almost no interaction at all no matter how heavy the traffic.

I understand how the tech works fairly well, so I'm not fighting it at all, just working with it and getting as much out of it as I can.

 

[Simon]

I love driving cars, but only when the drive is interesting, on boring journeys I love all the tech and find EVs just work best with it.

I throw the adaptive cruise if on the motorway in my Mustang as well, why would I not? It reduces the workload enough to be a tangible benefit and in busier more variable traffic its a god send and genuinely makes me much more relaxed about traffic (I hate stop/start traffic).

In the ID.3 and Model Y, I can jump on the M5 at Chelters and pretty much drive to Plymouth with almost no interaction at all no matter how heavy the traffic.

I understand how the tech works fairly well, so I'm not fighting it at all, just working with it and getting as much out of it as I can.

Exactly this.

Never understand the hate for lane assistance though, if it kicks in unintentionally its because people are driving over a white line. If it trying to pull you off the road then you aren't holding the wheel properly.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

The effort to drive to Italy last year in an IPACE with ACC and steering assist compared to Le Man this year with just cruise in the F-TYPE was quite stark. Superb technology in the rigth situation.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

I love driving cars, but only when the drive is interesting, on boring journeys I love all the tech and find EVs just work best with it.

I throw the adaptive cruise if on the motorway in my Mustang as well, why would I not? It reduces the workload enough to be a tangible benefit and in busier more variable traffic its a god send and genuinely makes me much more relaxed about traffic (I hate stop/start traffic).

In the ID.3 and Model Y, I can jump on the M5 at Chelters and pretty much drive to Plymouth with almost no interaction at all no matter how heavy the traffic.

I understand how the tech works fairly well, so I'm not fighting it at all, just working with it and getting as much out of it as I can.

Is that in the standard Model Y or do you need to buy the autonomous driving add-ons etc?

 

[cuke2u]

The MG4 is fine with this and for overtaking I just use the accelerator and then Cruise Control takes over when I take my foot off.
I was in heavy slow/stopped traffic last night and the Cruise just did all the work for me but there was a couple of times where I had to prompt it with my foot.
I use it everywhere eg we're going out now on 30 mph roads and it will be on, last night was mainly 50mph and then 70mph A50 and it was on all the time.
Sometimes I have to brake which turns it off but a quick shove up of the left joystick and it's back on.
I think it's great, lane assistance and lane change are a PITA though but if I'm on a dual carriageway or motorway I'll turn them off.

I've test driven a MG4 and the flaming think kept warning me there was a school nearby. Talk about being nanny'd...

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I've test driven a MG4 and the flaming think kept warning me there was a school nearby. Talk about being nanny'd...

That has only happened when I put the MG Map on last night, normally I use Google Maps.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Is that in the standard Model Y or do you need to buy the autonomous driving add-ons etc?

All Tesla’s have ACC with auto steer as standard.

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Don’t buy FSD, the value of EAP is dubious IMO and makes no sense if you are leasing anyway due to the cost. The main issues with EAP are:

Summon is restricted to working within 6M of the car due to regulations (100m in America).

The auto lane change stuff only works on controlled access roads so only dual carriageways with slip roads are allowed (e.g. rules out roads like the A1 where it’s not a motorway spec).

Auto park works well but like all of these systems, if you are confident reverse/parallel parking, you’ll do it faster manually.

FSD looks more interesting if you are a Yank but also doesn’t work in the U.K. and isn’t even legal yet. You’ll have handed the car back before it’s released here.

 

[jpaul]

Saw my first BYD garage, in peterborough, opening monday; the first step for non-fleet chinese brand acceptance.
courtesy cars - nearby Marshall garage only give out electric vehicles, so will get an extended test drive in new year.

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auto lanechange stuff still has eu laws that may constrain it's behaviour, for safety

seems ford blue cruise system is not OK'd for europe - video explains some of the eu rules that lead to erratic behaviour for systems like teslas whilst changing lanes.

UNECE update on DCAS regulations and FSD Beta for Europe

The UNECE has been debating about the new DCAS regulations for a couple of months now and a draft document is available. In this video I go through the highl...

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auto park - if that can parallel park in Cambridge double parked roads, where you have less than a meter on both sides of car and similar small space in the gap - sign me up;
I doubt I will be able to park for free there, anymore, with newer cars turning circle.
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[cuke2u]

That has only happened when I put the MG Map on last night, normally I use Google Maps.

The map was on so as to guide me back to the Peterborough dealership. It was blooming annoying and no other EV or ICE I've driven has it..

 

[rodenal]

I don't use the MG nav (Waze/ Google maps) but the warnings you mention are easy to turn off tbh so a non issue.

I find my ACC to work reasonably well too, I only ever really take over if traffic conditions change quickly (i.e stopping quite abruptly up ahead but the current lane is clear of immediate traffic or if someone nips Infront at speed but a little too close for it to handle sensibly as mentioned above)

 

[Demon]

Is that in the standard Model Y or do you need to buy the autonomous driving add-ons etc?

Thats basic (Free) Autopilot, I do have the Enhance Auto Commander (third party)which adds to the basic autopilot with auto-re-engage on changing lanes, which makes it the equivalent of VW;s travel assist.

Tesla AP is ok, it’s swings and roundabouts with other manufacturers, it’s strength is being able to infer road markings when they disappear but is still as daft as a brush at times.

 

[blun]

Took delivery of my Model Y this afternoon on the Octopus SS scheme. Arrived with 25% charge so headed in to town to take advantage of my first free supercharge

20 mile round trip to do so however its non-sensical not to take advantage of the 1 year free offer, even if it does only save a few hundred quid.

If you can charge at home this makes no sense..! A 50kWh charge will cost you £3.50 at home. Why do a 20 mile round trip with however long that took to save £3.50?!

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Cheers Demon/Born.

Can it help my wife reverse onto the drive? That would be a total game changer. It's like a reverse bay park but you have to dodge my E43 and a wall - so it is pretty tight.