EV general discussion

Gunni Parker said:
Not all houses accommodate home plug in. E.g. The vast majority of old terrace houses in the UK with no designated parking...
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Well an EV is not the ideal option for someone like that then. We will have petrols and diesels available on the used markets for a decade or 3 most likely.
 
Ovo, charging any time, has to have a compatible charger I thought, versus octopus that could/should work with a compatible car, alone - which way will other suppliers jump.
if suppliers decide they only want to give cheap units for car use, I guess the former.
I won't have good 4g/wifi signal in the garage if that is one of the reasons compatible cars, alone, are unreliable.
 
jpaul said:
Ovo, charging any time, has to have a compatible charger I thought, versus octopus that could/should work with a compatible car, alone - which way will other suppliers jump.
if suppliers decide they only want to give cheap units for car use, I guess the former.
I won't have good 4g/wifi signal in the garage if that is one of the reasons compatible cars, alone, are unreliable.
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They functionally have the same requirements - compatible car OR charger.

The only difference is:
Ovo - cheap energy for your car only and rate for the rest of your electricity is the price cap rate.
Octopus - cheap energy for your entire use during the off peak period (2330-0530) AND any additional 30 min slots outside of this time but their 'day rate' is 1.5p/kwh above the price cap.

Octopus works out cheaper for most people because the 6 hours of cheap typically works out better than the 16 hours being slightly more expensive, particularly if you run appliances overnight. Your milage will vary of course based on your own usage profile.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
You were championing this alternative stuff to Octopus with no experience of it and look at some of the issues…
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be prepared !
how do you think market will evolve then - govt had mandated smart chargers I thought, with an eye on taxation, so need to be in the right (scout) camp.
 
Any is better than normal tarrif for EV. Analysis paralysis means you aren’t getting an benefit of EV in the golden era

Go often gives charging mid evening so you house goes to 7p and then you can stick the dishwasher etc on rather than at 3-4times the cost. Why is a car only tarrif ever a good idea ?
 
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jpaul said:
I won't have good 4g/wifi signal in the garage if that is one of the reasons compatible cars, alone, are unreliable.
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Imagine the tragedy of having to invest in coverage for something you are going to likely use for forever going forward, or you know as already pointed out put Ethernet in there and buy a super ultra mega cheap AP for £20 of eBay.

You seem to find obstacles deliberately, that aren't really obstacles. I'd imagine if you ever forgot you keys thinking you were locked out your house you'd try and climb through the very smallest window, before checking the door to find it unlocked with the keys on the inside.
 
jpaul said:
be prepared !
how do you think market will evolve then - govt had mandated smart chargers I thought, with an eye on taxation, so need to be in the right (scout) camp.
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Best way to be prepared is run eth/access point and then get a compatible car (i.e. one that connects to WiFi, so no Pug E2008 for you!).
 
jpaul said:
be prepared !
how do you think market will evolve then - govt had mandated smart chargers I thought, with an eye on taxation, so need to be in the right (scout) camp.
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Smart has NOTHING to do with tariff time adjustments.

Being prepared? Mate I’m 4 years into EV running now.
 
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jpaul said:
be prepared !
how do you think market will evolve then - govt had mandated smart chargers I thought, with an eye on taxation, so need to be in the right (scout) camp.
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There are more holes in the 'idea' that you can tax electricity going into cars than Swiss cheese. Everyone knows this including the government.

'Smart' is also a very generous description of them, the functionality in them is very basic and easily bypassed.

Even if they banned dumb chargers entirely (e.g. granny leads), you can make your own EVSE with off the shelf parts, there is absolutely nothing special about them at all. Or just import one or use one of those which is already on the market, that would be easier.
 
Simon said:
Any is better than normal tarrif for EV.
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This is so true. I've only got a PHEV with a tiny battery but I charge it religiously so between 40 and 70kWh per week depending on how many nights I'm away.

Dumb 3 pin charger on the regular Octopus go (8.5p/kW 00:30 - 05:30) and it's barely made a dent in what we pay per month in electricity. That's without any major load shifting beyond me hitting the time delay button on the dishwasher every night.
 
New Model Y is available to order with deliveries in May.

Per China, they are doing a ‘launch edition’ which includes most options ticked so it’s very expensive @ £61k cash.

The finance rates have also been jacked up to 7.5% so the monthly are massive compared to the outgoing model.

The launch edition is £61k and comes with:
20” wheels: £2100
Tow hitch: £1090
Cost Paint colour: up to £2300
Acceleration boost: £1500 (I think).

Once you knock all that off, the cash pricing is similar to the outgoing model.

The APR will probably be back down to the current level come the end of the year. The refresh model 3 launched at 9%, it was down to 3-4% by the last quarter last year.

I’m not in the market but I certainly wouldn’t buy at this price.
 
I think I've been missing something with the Teslas. Never really saw the appeal, mundane looking, uninspiring interior, seemingly poor QC.
 
Yaayuh! said:
I think I've been missing something with the Teslas. Never really saw the appeal, mundane looking, uninspiring interior, seemingly poor QC.
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Luggage space is why I am considering it vs. Renault Scenic, Ford Explorer. It also has leather seats where as the other two are cloth or half leather (and then you start to get more expensive than the Model Y too). It also has the best range in the segment (on a like-for-like basis). Obviously it has a load of fun gimmicks too which the kids will love.

They do look gash though, and QC is trash.
 
Yaayuh! said:
I think I've been missing something with the Teslas. Never really saw the appeal, mundane looking, uninspiring interior, seemingly poor QC.
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I've never really cared too much about how the outside looks, much more how it is on the inside, comfort etc. Other people look at your car when you are in it, not you. Not saying I like the old Y blob, but it wasn't either offensive, and clearly lots of people do like it (or think like me) as it as the 5th best selling car in the UK last year, and the best selling EV.
 
on the smart/dumb/which charger decision front, like for a new ev purchase - future proofing for V2G capability is another be prepared (haven't heard if tesla is planning anything, )
 
dlockers said:
Luggage space is why I am considering it vs. Renault Scenic, Ford Explorer. It also has leather seats where as the other two are cloth or half leather (and then you start to get more expensive than the Model Y too). It also has the best range in the segment (on a like-for-like basis). Obviously it has a load of fun gimmicks too which the kids will love.

They do look gash though, and QC is trash.
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The Tesla does not have leather…
 
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