These are a bargain at the moment at £105 for the 10m version for anyone looking to grab a granny (charger).
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Just tried it on my 2 month old lease i5 M60 Touring with 2500 miles list price £113,000 ------------------- £62,525................
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This should not come as a suprise.
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On point! Second hand is the way to go unless you won Capitalism in which case well done.
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Looks like Ariya prices are starting to come down as well. One of the biggest problems I think for Nissan in recent years is they've priced themselves out of their market even taking into account general price increases.
I'm getting a bit leery of Nissan lately which is a shame as supply of parts seems to be suffering with their current woes.
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Apologies it missed some of my post out.
I went on to type the below but it didn't appear:
I showed it my wife who liked it but was put off with the bigger size.
I held my hands 4.5" apart and said it's that much longer and (thumb and finger 6cm apart) that wider.
She said that's too big
Did you or anyone else pay £31,130 for it?
No of course not so the number is irrelevant except for tax purposes.
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Why so angry?
We looked at new ones from Nissan before leasing, they wanted £28k after contributions, so, yes, people were buying them at close to £30k.
The point is, it, like many other cars, has lost 60+% of its value in 12 months, which is nuts.
It wasn’t an angry comment, it was merely pointing out that aside from a couple of specific manufacturers, the list price of the car is utterly meaningless because literally no one pays it.
Even those manufacturers where you pay the list price if you pay cash are leasing them at discounted rates because that’s the only way they can get them out the door at the volumes they need.
Motorway is just the new trade in value, it’s a bottom of the barrel price and only slightly above WBAC.
The leaf will have some special levels of depreciation thanks to a Nissan fire sale, you could buy a brand new one for under £20k a few months ago.
Even those manufacturers where you pay the list price if you pay cash are leasing them at discounted rates because that’s the only way they can get them out the door at the volumes they need.
Motorway is just the new trade in value, it’s a bottom of the barrel price and only slightly above WBAC.
The leaf will have some special levels of depreciation thanks to a Nissan fire sale, you could buy a brand new one for under £20k a few months ago.
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No it just means motorway and it’s dealer auction network don’t want the car.
Been a fire sale across most of their range since late last year but the prices are still not what most people would consider "Nissan" money even with Nissan "contributing" up to £5K off the list price :s
Used Leaf prices have plummeted generally - even at dealer prices 11K will get you a 21 plate with 30K miles (EDIT: Even some 22 and 23 plate with sub 30K miles).
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Last year when we were considering a Leaf I was told to stay away because a new range were coming out this year and that might be a big factor in why they are so cheap and losing money..
A quick search
The new 2025 Nissan Leaf is expected to be a redesigned crossover, potentially with a larger battery and faster charging capabilities, aiming for a range of up to 300 miles on a single charge and featuring vehicle-to-grid technology.
Here's a more detailed look at what to expect:
Design and Features:
- Crossover Styling:
The new Leaf is expected to transition to a crossover design, potentially inspired by the Chill-Out concept, offering a more versatile and modern look.
- Aerodynamic Improvements:
The design will focus on aerodynamics to improve efficiency and range.
- Interior:
Expect a high-tech interior with a panoramic glass roof, dual-tone leather seats, and a large digital cockpit integrating navigation, entertainment, and energy stats.
- e-Pedal Technology:
The new Leaf will likely feature Nissan's e-pedal technology, allowing for smooth acceleration and braking with a single pedal.
- Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) Technology:
Nissan is developing its own V2G technology for the next-gen Leaf, allowing it to potentially power other devices or even feed electricity back to the grid.
Powertrain and Performance:
- Larger Battery:
The new Leaf will likely feature an upgraded, larger battery for extended range, potentially pushing towards 300 miles or more on a single charge. - Faster Charging:
Expect faster charging capabilities, potentially allowing for a 80% charge in around 30 minutes. - All-Wheel Drive (AWD):
Nissan might equip the new Leaf with dual motors for all-wheel drive, delivering over 300 horsepower and instant torque. - Regenerative Braking:
Advanced regenerative braking will help reclaim energy during deceleration, further extending the range.
Production and Launch:
- Production Trials:
Production trials for the new Leaf have reportedly begun, with a potential launch in spring 2025.
- Sunderland Plant:
The next-generation Leaf, along with other EVs like the Qashqai and Juke, will be built at Nissan's Sunderland plant in the UK, which is being transformed into a battery-electric car hub.
- Phasing out the old Leaf:
Nissan is phasing out the current Leaf to focus on its new EV lineup, including the Ariya.
Personally think Nissan should just bin off the Leaf and Qashqai and stop pretending the Ariya can compete with the established luxury segment and just have the Ariya with Acenta trim level to replace the Leaf and Tekna trim level to replace the Qashqai and an Ariya "R-Line" with the premium stuff with pure EV and a couple of petrol engine options (KR15DDT would be good if they can fix the fuel economy and reliability issues) - though there are probably some challenges with having different engine types in the same design.
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We v2h with our Leaf with an Indra charger. It’s the only reason we went for another one (we bought a 15 plate Leaf 4 years ago when they were silly cheap).
I hope the new Leaf v2h/v2g system is good. It’s been a game changer for us.
I hope the new Leaf v2h/v2g system is good. It’s been a game changer for us.
V2H has a lot of potential usefulness for those of us living in (relatively remote) rural areas, unfortunately EVs are still a long way from replacing ICE for my needs though.
Strange no one mentioned CHAdeMO to you.
Ariya doing ok in Norway this year...
I noticed a small number of people have them now around here since Nissan has been pushing the deals, but they've hardly taken off, the Nismo variant has me scratching my head as well - it needs a much better body kit and different interior styling to appeal to the people spending that kind of money and in that kind of market.
Same with the X-Trail - the latest version IMO is a great looking car on the exterior but the engine choices just do not match up with what people in the market for that kind of vehicle find appealing, the suspension is just totally inadequate for the kind of light off-road market they are desperately trying talk it up as belonging to, and the interior needs some tweaking for the kind of people spending that kind of money in that kind of market.
Killing off the Micra seems a really odd move as well, the latest model again is not a bad looking car and there is still demand for those kind of vehicles even in this age of crossovers, but Nissan has hit all the wrong notes and all the wrong marketing for the people who buy those kind of vehicles and priced themselves out of that market, while not having the commitment to alternatively pursue the hot hatch market with it.
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The Nissan brand empathy is impressive I’ll give you that.
except 2/3 of them are sold for leasing at undisclosed sale (& return if they depreciate too much) deals by manufacturers, subsidised as much as anything by private ev purchasers,
(their rrp's should perhaps be challenged legally) and maybe, us, the ICE luddites, too.