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sovietspybob said:
Yeah its times like that where Telsa's warranty is a lot better as they cover the drivetrain along with the battery for the 8 years, makes the Hyundai warranty seems a bit stingy compared to their sister brand Kia :(
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Tesla’s 8 year warranty wouldn’t cover the onboard charger.

Anything inside the battery case yes, likewise anything in the motor case (e.g. the inverter) yes but nothing else like the charge port or the onboard 11kw charger which are separate units.
 
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cuke2u said:
Compared to the majority of ev's produced that resemble boxes, buses, tanks, the design of the BMW i4, and it's front grill, is a example of how to do things differently in a world where they all look the same.
Some wish to overstate what is purely an opinion then go on to say something like an iconic 5, Renault 5 etc etc, look lgood.
Really?.
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well of course it's an opinion (I try to even state as much when ever I comment about looks) but I would say there are a lot of people who believe BMW have lost the plot with their front ends. personally I have no issue with the looks of rest of their cars. If you want to disagree and say you like the look of them, that is cool as well... I figured somebody must like them ;)

(I do know a few who own new BMWs... and they are apparently still great cars but they got them despite their ugly nose which is a shame really imo)
 
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bigmike20vt said:
well of course it's an opinion (I try to even state as much when ever I comment about looks) but I would say there are a lot of people who believe BMW have lost the plot with their front ends. personally I have no issue with the looks of rest of their cars. If you want to disagree and say you like the look of them, that is cool as well... I figured somebody must like them ;)

(I do know a few who own new BMWs... and they are apparently still great cars but they got them despite their ugly nose which is a shame really imo)
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I'd call it being fixated for no other reason as there are plenty of vehicles out there that are ugly from all angles such as the examples I gave.
It is stretching bounds of absurdity to be critical of one element when there are hundreds of other examples.
In the UK over 12k were registered in 2024, a 45% increase over 2023, so I'm not alone. In the US the i4 alone outsold every Audi EV in 2024. Possibly not the best example though as many also voted for Trump.
 
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robinbanks said:
Out of intrest what's people's view on the ionic 5? We went to view one and found it ticked all the boxes for us, including a big boot for the golden retriever but I've been reading up on the iccu issue and starting to question if it's a good idea. Problem is I'm struggling to find somthing similar for under £20,000. Possibly a Niro but it looks like they also suffer with the issue?
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Works well for us. :-)



Don’t quote me on this but there is talk that Hyundai are going to cover the ICCU for the 8 years after the latest law suite against them. They also apparently now have a fixed unit so there could be a recall. Mine has been replaced and has been fine for 15k since. My friends is on 89k and never had an issue.
 
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robinbanks said:
Out of intrest what's people's view on the ionic 5? We went to view one and found it ticked all the boxes for us, including a big boot for the golden retriever but I've been reading up on the iccu issue and starting to question if it's a good idea. Problem is I'm struggling to find somthing similar for under £20,000. Possibly a Niro but it looks like they also suffer with the issue?
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Really like our 58kWh "Premium" model which bought around 3-4 months ago. It does everything well but is not an exciting drive (not that we really cared about that point). Range for ours is around 170 Winter and ~240 Summer (I say ~ there as we bought it as it was starting to cool down through late autumn into winter thus don't know the true summer range). Boot and more importantly the opening is massive for the majority of requirements and makes for a great load lugger / tip run car with the seats down. One thing to ensure is that the services are all there and up to date (can impact warranty), and ideally if it's over 4 years old the "big" service has been done.

One other issue I believe the Ioniq 5 can suffer from is the 12v drain / 12v death. We bought a little Battery jumper / power bank and keep it available for if this ever arises.

Another option might be the EV6 sister car if its available for around the same price.

If I was buying similar again today I would likely look at the ~73kWh "long range" RWD variant which offers around 50-70 miles more range over our model and is a little quicker. There is also the ~320PS AWD model which has the bigger battery and quicker acceleration if that's something you are bothered by.
 
danlightbulb said:
Consultation out on the new EV VED tax, if anyone wants to have their say.

www.gov.uk

Consultation on the Introduction of Electric Vehicle Excise Duty (eVED)

A consultation setting out further detail on how eVED will work.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Just did some quick maths. VED + ECS + eVED will have my total company car tax bill at over a grand :p That won't go down well and will likely see them swapping the Astra out sooner. As such my feedback will be... crack on, great idea.

I'm joking obviously but this plus the 18% flat rate BIK for PHEVs will probably will see me going from PHEV to a HEV. As someone who religiously charges daily that seems like a backwards step.
 
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One other issue I believe the Ioniq 5 can suffer from is the 12v drain / 12v death. We bought a little Battery jumper / power bank and keep it available for if this ever arises.
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Latest software update fixes this by the car not allowing the 12v battery to drain beyond a set point. Mine every now and again even when not plugged in charges the 12v battery. You can tell as the cooling flaps open on the front.

I have the AWD Long range and you get about the same range as I do. Lol
 
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Never had an issue with the front end of my i5, but then i suppose i'm sat behind it, not looking at it. With my car being black it doesn't stand out too much, but when you see the gray or white i5's with the M Sport Pro grille i do think they look a bit odd with the huge black plastic kidney shape instead of **** could have been a more aesthetically pleasing grille. It doesn't affect the performance though and launch control is still a laugh though the 1.3m/kwh last week when playing around with it was eye opneing......
 
MOOGLEYS said:
Latest software update fixes this by the car not allowing the 12v battery to drain beyond a set point. Mine every now and again even when not plugged in charges the 12v battery. You can tell as the cooling flaps open on the front.

I have the AWD Long range and you get about the same range as I do. Lol
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Ah, the flaps open on ours at what seems random intervals so I assume it already has the update (This also answers the question of when it charges the 12v as the Kona had the little Yellow light on the front indicating it was charging the 12v and I had not read how the 5 does it). :)

From what I have read the AWD does seem to suffer a bit more from efficiency so I assume once that is factored in (along with driving style - I balance out my wife's heavy foot..) it can explain similar overall range.

At times I would like the extra oomph of the AWD but as we mostly use the car for commuting it would end up being somewhat pointless (Model 3 fills in the "need more grunt" role well enough for now).
 
kefkef said:
Never had an issue with the front end of my i5, but then i suppose i'm sat behind it, not looking at it. With my car being black it doesn't stand out too much, but when you see the gray or white i5's with the M Sport Pro grille i do think they look a bit odd with the huge black plastic kidney shape instead of **** could have been a more aesthetically pleasing grille. It doesn't affect the performance though and launch control is still a laugh though the 1.3m/kwh last week when playing around with it was eye opneing......
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You want grills? https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/zeekr/
Cheese slicers...
 
robinbanks said:
Out of intrest what's people's view on the ionic 5? We went to view one and found it ticked all the boxes for us, including a big boot for the golden retriever but I've been reading up on the iccu issue and starting to question if it's a good idea. Problem is I'm struggling to find somthing similar for under £20,000. Possibly a Niro but it looks like they also suffer with the issue?
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ICCU is on the 800V E-GMP Platform - the Niro doesnt use that.

I think the boot is shallow if your dog sits down in the boot - worth seeing in reality.
 
oweneades said:
Really like our 58kWh "Premium" model which bought around 3-4 months ago. It does everything well but is not an exciting drive (not that we really cared about that point). Range for ours is around 170 Winter and ~240 Summer (I say ~ there as we bought it as it was starting to cool down through late autumn into winter thus don't know the true summer range). Boot and more importantly the opening is massive for the majority of requirements and makes for a great load lugger / tip run car with the seats down. One thing to ensure is that the services are all there and up to date (can impact warranty), and ideally if it's over 4 years old the "big" service has been done.

One other issue I believe the Ioniq 5 can suffer from is the 12v drain / 12v death. We bought a little Battery jumper / power bank and keep it available for if this ever arises.

Another option might be the EV6 sister car if its available for around the same price.

If I was buying similar again today I would likely look at the ~73kWh "long range" RWD variant which offers around 50-70 miles more range over our model and is a little quicker. There is also the ~320PS AWD model which has the bigger battery and quicker acceleration if that's something you are bothered by.
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The model we currently put a deposit on was a 2021 73kwh 4WD It seems rather good price of around 18K with 30k on the clock.
MOOGLEYS said:
Works well for us. :-)



Don’t quote me on this but there is talk that Hyundai are going to cover the ICCU for the 8 years after the latest law suite against them. They also apparently now have a fixed unit so there could be a recall. Mine has been replaced and has been fine for 15k since. My friends is on 89k and never had an issue.
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That’s a bit more reassuring. Also, what a lovely Goldie! Ours is an 8-month-old boy. We use the Alphard for longer trips, but we want to make sure we’ve got plenty of room for the shorter ones too.
 
Thanks He is nearly 8 now only seems like yesterday he was a pup. He loves the car and has done some pretty long journeys in the ioniq without an issue he can get up and turn round ok. It's a bit of a jump up to get in so in a few years we might need a step or something.

With the Ioniq just make sure it has had all required servicing stamped up in the book or Hyundai will void both the car and battery warranty. It's every 2 years or 20k you do not need the extra yearly service for the warranty.
 
It was always inevitable that EVs were going to have to soak up the lost fuel duty but I honestly thought they were going to come up with a better mechanism for doing so!

My tin foil hat was firmly on when I read that the government grants for EV chargers were only for "smart" chargers. I'd have put money on the fact that they were going to use that as a means for the taxation as a direct equivalent to fuel duty (# p/ kWh).

Instead they're going very low tech with a "let us know how many miles you are going to do" approach and a frankly ridiculous solution for selling a car... the credit or deficit goes with the vehicle and it is priced accordingly. What are they smoking?! Someone trying to cheat the system (or, playing devils advocate, not wanting to bank roll their fuel duty up front for the year) could end up with a car with high hundreds of pounds worth of eVED outstanding.

I doubt it will be beyond the wit of man to facilitate the process but making a product with questionable desirability a bit more tricky to buy and at the exact same time a bit more expensive to run is quite a piece of work.

I say all that under the full expectation that the scheme will never see light of day but it is fun to speculate :p
 
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MrRockliffe said:
“oi you numpties I got an EV so I can afford ciggies - how am I gonna get my L&M red if ur gonna make me pay for every mile I drive? What about the immigrants?”
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Haha, something like that, plus pointing out the utter tomfoolery of adding a 3p/mile tax on EVs whilst simultaneously giving a grant worth 116k miles on EVs, many of which won't do anything close to that within their lifetime. (Average UK mileage is 7k, average age of car is 10 years, I make that an average loss of ~6.5 years/46k miles, or ~£1,400...(edit: not to mention the cost of admin on both schemes...))

lordrobs said:
Instead they're going very low tech with a "let us know how many miles you are going to do" approach and a frankly ridiculous solution for selling a car... the credit or deficit goes with the vehicle and it is priced accordingly. What are they smoking?!
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Or just "estimate" you're going to do 10 miles that year and pay up after you've done the miles. No need to worry about claiming back any credit in that case :)
 
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