If you take the car out of the equation. My basic energy costs will most likely rise by a few hundred quid a year. I know, overall I'm saving by changing to EV but not as much as initially anticipated.
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If you take the car out of the equation. My basic energy costs will most likely rise by a few hundred quid a year. I know, overall I'm saving by changing to EV but not as much as initially anticipated.
You have to work out your usage. Our EV is only about 20-25% of our bill. But a 11pm-8am plan would catch a lot of showers and dishwashers. But the bulk of our use is day time. That needs to be at a cheaper rate.
Other people have two EVs doing big mileage. That's where their cheap rate needs to be.
Other people have two EVs doing big mileage. That's where their cheap rate needs to be.
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You can’t take your car out of the equation, that’s the point. That same 2600kwh of car charging at 25p/kwh is is £666, at £7.5p it’s only £200.
So as long as your day time usage doesn’t go up by £466, you are better off. Or another way to look at this is your average rate, as long as that’s below the standard rate, you are quids in.
What car and charger do you have/getting? If it’s on the octopus intelligent go list, they offer better rates than Eon. They take control of your car or charger and charge it by the time you set in the app. While the car is charging, all your house energy is 7p when your car is charging and it’s always 7p for 6 hours overnight.
So if octopus charge your car from 15:00-16:00 (as thy did my car today) your house energy is also 7p in that period.
Standard (not intelligent) Go is a bit more expensive but is a fixed off peak tariff.
PS. This is a perfect example of why people often get solar after getting an EV as that covers the more expensive day rate most of the year. Add a battery, it’s the whole year. If you add enough solar, you can get your bill down to zero or less. Octopus paid me £300 last year but it was an exceptionally sunny year.
Done a bit of napkin math. Heavy footed driving byd sealion 7 will probably be 3000kw a year. So at 7.5p = £225.
The 50% rise in EON peak tariff will cost me £400.
I spend £1300/year on diesel
Overall, quids in. The peak tariff irks me somewhat. Sadly, the byd is not compatible with smart charging yet. If i can somehow get out of the contract early and switch then it'll be a £200 hit on electricity. My current tariff (now ending tonorrow) has a £50x2 exit fee. The next drive has no exit fee but I doubt they'll let me switch that easily.
I got the car through select car leasing - giving me 8000 miles/£150 free charging which mitigates it all if I can't switch.
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You can load shift lots of things, not just a dishwasher, you can put your normal washing machine on a delayed start and do that in the off-peak and then hang it out in the morning, or use your dryer overnight if you already completed a wash (some say only use heat pump dryer overnight) or have combined appliance, immersion heater for hot water if cheaper than gas etc. I also use the slow cooker over night sometimes.
How many kWh are you using per year currently, what is your base load?
This process has actually forced me to look at my utilisation in depth. I don't have a dryer/electric shower and my washing machine is old (no timer). I have realised my 2kw oil heater is abusive in the office and I think I can definitely be more economical!
Must be quite an old machine then! Do you solely dry clothes outdoors then, or the old whack 'em on a drying rack near a radiator, then hope you don't end up with damp?
Oil radiator will certainly be contributing to the usage a lot, assume you've added up the last 12 months usage and got a ballpark for the kWh per month on average?
energy in car battery does not equal energy used to charge the battery. comparing my hypervolt charger stats to my tesla app suggests about a 12% loss between the charger and the car battery.
probably would add 15% for a bit of buffer...so...3450kw = £258.75, slight increase
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Actually, what am I talking about. It's a combo machine, we do tumble dry. Hotpoint he8l493g - no timer sadly .
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Just a quick question, we just purchased a kia niro 2023. We have travelled from kings Lynn to Milton Keynes and we averaged 3.5miles per kw. It's a non heat pump model and the heating was set to 22 and car was in eco mode with mid regen. Normally I wouldn't ask questions but the hand over was a train wreck so suspicious of everything.
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What’s the question?
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Apologies it's been a long day. I'll frase it a little better: Just a quick question about efficiency: we’ve just purchased a 2023 Kia Niro and recently travelled from King’s Lynn to Milton Keynes, averaging 3.5 miles per kWh. It’s the non–heat pump model, the heating was set to 22°C, the car was in Eco mode with mid regen. Does this sound like expected efficiency for these conditions, or should we be seeing better? Normally I wouldn’t question it, but the handover was a bit of a train wreck so I’m a little suspicious of everything with the car.
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I'm not sure where you get this number from - if your current fix is ending, you need to compare the current rate vs what it is on an EV tariff.
The current standard rate is 25p, Octopus is 29p, the uplift is only 16%. But then you also need to factor in you'll be getting 5-6 hours at 7-8p which will offset an element of that uplift on your baseload. When I first went on IOG, my bill actually went down, and all I did was shift the dishwasher and some loads of washing to off peak.
EON is more so yes, avoid that tariff.
short answer is yes, 3.5 miles per kwh is about right for cold conditions
you'll see an improvement during the summer months
Yep, Eon - 23.51p to 33.95p
if there are just two of you do you even use a dishwasher or just wash up as you go - had that conversation with my new neighbour as they binned their dishwasher, in same style house;
equally putting washing machine on overnight yes that's a great idea.
highland model 3 with aero improvements comes out with same same efficiency as new CLA ... if only it was a practical hatchback too.
equally putting washing machine on overnight yes that's a great idea.
highland model 3 with aero improvements comes out with same same efficiency as new CLA ... if only it was a practical hatchback too.
in other news, the tesla caraoke is really fun on a road trip! more cars should have this tbh, keeps everyone entertained for the duration of the journey 
i bought the dual mic setup too (£29 from aliexpress), so it was proper carpool karaoke lol
i bought the dual mic setup too (£29 from aliexpress), so it was proper carpool karaoke lol
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in other news, the tesla caraoke is really fun on a road trip! more cars should have this tbh, keeps everyone entertained for the duration of the journey
i bought the dual mic setup too (£29 from aliexpress), so it was proper carpool karaoke lol
I absolutely must make sure my other half doesn’t find out about this - we’d have a Tesla by the end of the week
Every journey turns into karaoke for her
We've got a Kona so essentially the same thing under the hood and that sounds about right.