But how are people of today supposed to use their mobile phones without the car doing the rest for them?
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I had a 90 min commute this morning to the office. If the car took me there, I could have got all the administrative rubbish I need to do this morning done on the way in.
I could have then spent less time here and just do the things which I actually need to do face to face and finish up anything else on the way home.
Instead I need to put in a full shift at the office and waste a load of time driving home.
Even if I didn’t have anything productive to do, I could just sit back and relax. The reality of commuting on a congested U.K. motorway is anything but (1 second gaps and real speeds constantly varying between 20mph and 75 mph).
I could get the train but it’s over £100 a day which is utterly ludicrous vs the <£5 in electricity or even the £30 in fuel.
I could have then spent less time here and just do the things which I actually need to do face to face and finish up anything else on the way home.
Instead I need to put in a full shift at the office and waste a load of time driving home.
Even if I didn’t have anything productive to do, I could just sit back and relax. The reality of commuting on a congested U.K. motorway is anything but (1 second gaps and real speeds constantly varying between 20mph and 75 mph).
I could get the train but it’s over £100 a day which is utterly ludicrous vs the <£5 in electricity or even the £30 in fuel.
I disagree, we are getting more real world experiences from a very broad set of people and the reactions people have are overwhelmingly positive. Many of those same people wouldn't touch normal 'autopilot' and nannying 'aids' with a barge pole for all the personal preference reasons I'm sure many also share.
i.e. it looks more revolution than evolution and demonstrably it is convincing many people in the "anti" camp that it has some serious utility..
And if you listed the salient points in order of priority in most experiences I've seen, driving 'aids' is very low on the list.. in fact most reviewers only postulate this will be good for the less confident, or reduce accidents as a side note..
This is not about if the tech is useful, more about the opinions those who don’t care and prefer to actually drive for themselves. This is not me telling you that you are wrong. Me saying I don’t like FSD is not the same as me saying FSD is bad.
It’s not about majority opinion, but individual preferences. You are not “more right” than me because more people agree with you than don’t.
It’s not about majority opinion, but individual preferences. You are not “more right” than me because more people agree with you than don’t.
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Wow. Shall we talk football teams next. Tesla UK AUTOPILOT. Is a lie and no better than other systems.
You disagreeing is also a personal opinion FWIW
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No, because I agree, UK Tesla Autopilot is average at best.. it's laughably stupid, and barely works better than my ID.3's travel assist.., in fact, I had to spend money on a Enhance auto commander module to even give me the same basic feature set as my ID.3's travel assist..
Tesla's adaptive cruise is also averagely jank too..
But what's that got to do with what is being used around the world that is in regulatory approvals now for the UK and has every chance of being available in the not too distant future?
To be clear, I don't care, nor want to change your mind, you do you..
However, you brought up this generalised 'camp' of people who can't be swayed and I am simply pointing out that we have a growing number of people which includes people in that camp that have been swayed, not because some of the people in that camp are wrong, but simply that FSD as used in NA/Canada/Austrialia and now starting to make inroads in Europe is more of a revolutionary technology that isn't just another silly driving aid but has a profound utility that people admit to liking..
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so not personal experience then? There’s a reason it’s not allowed here, same as we have MOTs and pedestrian crash standards… oh and roundabouts.
Full on Dunning-Kruger in action here guys!
Full on Dunning-Kruger in action here guys!
I dont see how autopilot/full self driving on a congested motorway is better than a good active cruise (aka not Telsa with its awful PID tune meaning it takes off slow, accelerates to fast then has to brake hard) The VW MEB system is brilliant in motorway traffic. Is your vision you sitting behind the wheel with a laptop? or sit in the passenger seat?
Interesting autopilot is talked about as an EV thing, when really any powertrain can do it.
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Looks like a great option.
But the big range version of the car isn't coming until 2027
But the big range version of the car isn't coming until 2027
I’m sorry but can you point me to my post where I generalised about people not being swayed from either camp?
I am not now, nor have I dissed the tech, just pointing out that I prefer to drive myself and actually like driving. So even ACC let alone FSD is something I personally see as pointless.
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My main thing would be the ability to "let go".
I've seen the errors that modern systems can make, and they're asking me to trust a robocar to carry me at 70mph down the M3, amongst people who can be extremely unpredictable and erratic?
I'm fairly sure my time as a motorcyclist has a very large influence on my complete lack of trust of anyone on the roads which doesn't (or does? Who knows) help things, but personally I'm not ready to let go of my driving yet. My sixth sense and spidey senses haven't let me down yet despite doing well over 20k miles a year in many countries, vehicles, conditions, etc.
I've seen the errors that modern systems can make, and they're asking me to trust a robocar to carry me at 70mph down the M3, amongst people who can be extremely unpredictable and erratic?
I'm fairly sure my time as a motorcyclist has a very large influence on my complete lack of trust of anyone on the roads which doesn't (or does? Who knows) help things, but personally I'm not ready to let go of my driving yet. My sixth sense and spidey senses haven't let me down yet despite doing well over 20k miles a year in many countries, vehicles, conditions, etc.
Very argumentative today aren't we
Remember, I was replying to Jpaul about why someone might want it in their 'personal car'... and only offered a video that showcases petrol heads that are raving about why they want it in their personal cars..
You jumped in with:
I took that at face value, you have defined a camp of people that can't be convinced, what is so controversial about pointing out that some people in that camp have experienced FSD and are no longer in the camp? That's doesn't mean the remaining people in the 'camp' are wrong, right or indifferent..
I already embrace AP, my Mrs doesn't.. I don't go around trying to convince her she should.. I let her do what she wants and don't stress about it..
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Interesting. We don’t do big trips so don’t need top range. I noticed it does V2L, which could be useful.
You could, just the options are more DIY.. there are open source versions of autopilot, mainly for modern cars with can bus control of everything, and they are typically a bit jank.. but interesting none the less..
VW did the golf around a track autonomously years ago:
Volkswagen Autonomous Race Trainer Eliminates Driving Instructors
Volkswagen Group Research has been working on autonomous “self-driving” technology for many years. Most of the publicized research programs focus on safely navigating a driverless vehicle through congested streets at legal speeds. But what if the performance bar were raised? What if an...
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AFAIK, all FSD variants currently available to owners are all 'supervised' which still places liability on the driver.. they have to be attentive and ready to take over immediately..
FSD unsupervised is coming, effectively Tesla already have some of their Taxi fleet completely unsupervised (as do waymo etc), the difference being that the software is just running on a normal model Y so in theory could be rolled out for everyone.. this puts the liability on Tesla/the car..
Sometimes I can burn up two days of work time a week simply travelling to and from customers. This already feels like I've unlocked the workplace cheat code as I'm on an OK salary and getting paid that just to pilot a car up and down the motorway feels like an incredibly easy way to make a living. If the car does that for me I could double dip the time and offset that time as office time or, more likely, catch up on a few decades worth of Sci-fi films that my wife has no interest in 