EV general discussion

McPhee said:
I'm now at Derby and... first charger I went to had an ID3 just plugging in. 38% charge. Moved on the the next, a Tesla was plugged in with 20% charge. So I moved on again. Another ID3, with a MG ZS waiting :cry:

This is a right sorry state of affairs today :p

Now got a choice between heading back to one of the other two (at least they're at pubs) or heading to Burton, which adds a good 15 miles to my route.

EDIT: Finally got home. 7 hours for a journey which would take 3.5 (without stops) in an ICE. I can't wait to get rid of the Leaf TBH :p Give me a reliable 200-mile range EV and that journey would have been a doddle.
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I'll carry on with my etron lease in the hope the model y with the new battery can do 400 miles.
 
I did a 500 mile round trip yesterday. It was 75% motorway and 25% A and B roads in rural Notts and Warks.
I stopped at the service station on the M-way. What a horrible place. I grabbed something to eat and took it to the car as I was damned if I was going to eat in the food hall. I didn't enjoy the food and I didn't enjoy sitting in my car in the ******* rain. So I was gone again in ten minutes. I got home a minute after kick-off.
I questioned how long I'd have had to be sat there if I'd have to charge an EV sufficiently to get me home. I do hope the service station model improves and becomes somewhat more appealing should we start having to spend more time there!
 
Clockhookandlook said:
I did a 500 mile round trip yesterday. It was 75% motorway and 25% A and B roads in rural Notts and Warks.
I stopped at the service station on the M-way. What a horrible place. I grabbed something to eat and took it to the car as I was damned if I was going to eat in the food hall. I didn't enjoy the food and I didn't enjoy sitting in my car in the ******* rain. So I was gone again in ten minutes. I got home a minute after kick-off.
I questioned how long I'd have had to be sat there if I'd have to charge an EV sufficiently to get me home. I do hope the service station model improves and becomes somewhat more appealing should we start having to spend more time there!
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You should try Rugby services on the M6, J1 I believe. Absolutely lush services with powerful chargers...
 
Your average person could get away with just recharging with a 3 pin, the main issue is that if you do two fairly heavy mileage days in a row you have will not be able to get the car re-charged in time for the second day. Sure it might only happen twice a year but it will be a right pain when it does happen. When you are spending ££££ on a new EV, a few hundred quid to get a proper charge point installed for your off street parking isn't a great expense in the grand scheme of things.
 
Clockhookandlook said:
I did a 500 mile round trip yesterday. It was 75% motorway and 25% A and B roads in rural Notts and Warks.
I stopped at the service station on the M-way. What a horrible place. I grabbed something to eat and took it to the car as I was damned if I was going to eat in the food hall. I didn't enjoy the food and I didn't enjoy sitting in my car in the ******* rain. So I was gone again in ten minutes. I got home a minute after kick-off.
I questioned how long I'd have had to be sat there if I'd have to charge an EV sufficiently to get me home. I do hope the service station model improves and becomes somewhat more appealing should we start having to spend more time there!
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I try not to use motorway services where possible. A lot of Greene King, Marston etc. pubs near motorway junctions have chargers. Much nicer places to be.

That might change if there are more sites like Rugby and Braintree though; much as I'd rather use a pub than a service station, I'd sooner get an available charger. If the services can do 20-30 cars at a time, but the pub can only do 1 or 2, I'd likely just put up with the services (and choose selectively; some are nice, like Teebay, Gloucester, and Rugby).
 
I don't subscribe to netflix , so wouldn't be watching that whilst waiting at the charger ( per the earlier post ), but
with a decent size tablet like teslas, you could have watched the match whilst charging - albeit, landscape orientation would be better
 
What's the best electric car under £20k used?

Cheaper the better it's for the wife and she only did 2-3k last year and only does 6-8k in a non Covid world.

Ideally boot needs to be able to accommodate a pram and rear needs isofix.

I'm looking at i3 or B class but wondering if I was missing anything?

Ideally going to go with something I can get extended warranty on so no surprises unless this isn't really required on an electric car.
 
i3 but check the extended warranty cost as it's not cheap I don't think.
Not biased at all (ha) but really like mine although I do need to get one issue looked at - the drivers seat creaks sometimes. I'd also prefer the leather interior. Yesterday coming back from my longest trip so far (about 40miles total), back through Dartmoor I reset the efficiency thing and it returned under 7kwh/100km rest of the way home driving speeds from 30mph to 50. For the hate the i3 gets from some, it's actually got a top notch battery and BMS.
After getting home last night and carrying out a full charge had the best range so far :):
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Psycho Sonny said:
What's the best electric car under £20k used?

Cheaper the better it's for the wife and she only did 2-3k last year and only does 6-8k in a non Covid world.

Ideally boot needs to be able to accommodate a pram and rear needs isofix.

I'm looking at i3 or B class but wondering if I was missing anything?

Ideally going to go with something I can get extended warranty on so no surprises unless this isn't really required on an electric car.
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What do you need from the car, range, charging, space, spec?

The i3 is alright, its pretty expensive for what you get and the rear doors are annoying if you actually need to use them.

If you can stretch to £25k then you can't get much better than a Hyundai Kona 64kwh version, 260-300 miles range, loads of equipment on the higher end models and generally all round good cars which are incredibly efficient. The 39kwh is also a good car and is a bit cheaper but obviously doesn't have the range.

If you just want a little hatch then the Renault Zoe 50kwh is a good little car and can be had for £20k. Just make sure you get one with CCS (you don't get it on the base model).

Hyundai Ionic is also a decent car, you can just about get the 40kwh version for £20k.

Lots of people like the e-Golf, plenty to be had at this price point.

Owners seem to like the MG ZS and the Corsa E, both available used.

I'd personally avoid the Leaf, older Zoe's (the new one with CCS is a good buy), Smarts, Mii/Up/Citigo,

Apparently you can get a brand new MG5 for £20k, an MG ZS for £22k Corsa E for £22k :eek:
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
What do you need from the car, range, charging, space, spec?

The i3 is alright, its pretty expensive for what you get and the rear doors are annoying if you actually need to use them.

If you can stretch to £25k then you can't get much better than a Hyundai Kona 64kwh version, 260-300 miles range, loads of equipment on the higher end models and generally all round good cars which are incredibly efficient. The 39kwh is also a good car and is a bit cheaper but obviously doesn't have the range.

If you just want a little hatch then the Renault Zoe 50kwh is a good little car and can be had for £20k. Just make sure you get one with CCS (you don't get it on the base model).

Hyundai Ionic is also a decent car, you can just about get the 40kwh version for £20k.

Lots of people like the e-Golf, plenty to be had at this price point.

Owners seem to like the MG ZS and the Corsa E, both available used.

I'd personally avoid the Leaf, older Zoe's (the new one with CCS is a good buy), Smarts, Mii/Up/Citigo,

Apparently you can get a brand new MG5 for £20k, an MG ZS for £22k Corsa E for £22k :eek:
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I thought I already had this covered in terms of the boot needs to accomodate a pram therefore it needs to bare minimum same size as current lexus ct200h.

Rear needing isofix means a baby will be in the back so yeah rear seats will be getting used.

I could easily go out and buy a £46k car cash right now. But I want to ideally use that cash for investments, towards a bigger home, current improvements, etc. It's a second car so I don't need it to be uber luxury either but current lexus is well specced looking for similar. I'm hoping to get some nice things but the cheaper the better. £20K is max ideally anything between £10K-£20K will do.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
I thought I already had this covered in terms of the boot needs to accomodate a pram therefore it needs to bare minimum same size as current lexus ct200h.

Rear needing isofix means a baby will be in the back so yeah rear seats will be getting used.

I could easily go out and buy a £46k car cash right now. But I want to ideally use that cash for investments, towards a bigger home, current improvements, etc. It's a second car so I don't need it to be uber luxury either but current lexus is well specced looking for similar. I'm hoping to get some nice things but the cheaper the better. £20K is max ideally anything between £10K-£20K will do.
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Discount the i3, if you have a small child you'll regret it within a week. There are very few electric B-Classes out there, only 11 for sale in the whole country.

Basically once you get under the £18k mark you are left with the older Zoe 22 or 40kwh, Leaf 24, 30 or 40Kwh, e-Golf, Ionic 28kwh MG ZS (£18k) and Soul 30kwh.

Or buy an ICE which will be cheaper for the same age/condition as you do so few miles.
 
I'd also go ICE for your needs. So few miles and a desire to buy something cheap. You want a family size diesel really. Unless you're bent on going green?
 
£14-15k should get you a 28kWh Hyundai Ioniq (2017), which has warranty on it still. Nice sized hatched boot, and plenty of room for a couple of car seats in the back, and a reasonable range for the low mileage requirements.

As others have said though, cost seems to be the priority, so why not just get a cheap and nasty Nisan Leaf from 2014, big boot etc. range will obviously be much less but if it is only for the supermarket/school run and pootling about then it probably doesn't matter.
 
First real nightmare experience trying to charge an EV yesterday.

We drove to Bakewell and I hadn't remembered to charge the car the night before. There were quite a few EV charging points in Bakewell so I thought I'd just charge once there.

They were mainly 'D2N2' chargers which required the Charge your Car app to use. I downloaded the app and set everything up but I could not get any of the chargers to charge for longer than 3 seconds. We tried 3 different ones and even drove a few miles to another set of them but nothing worked.

There were other cars charging around us so I can only presume the issue was with the app as I kept getting a lot of connection errors when using it.

Ended up having to drive 15 miles out of our way to a Genie Point charger near Chesterfield in order to charge which was annoying.
 
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Already several good suggestions. Ioniq, Zoe, MG ZS being the first ones I thought of and maybe an E Golf. B Class was a compliance car so Merc never offered rapid charging only 7kw (11kw max public) so I'd rule it out just for that. If I remember (original) Ioniqs are a bit slow for raid charging. They tail off early but that may not be such an issue but at least it has it as standard.

I had an i3. Never really used the rear seats. Tyre wear most annoyed me as I tend to drive a bit harder than average I guess. Very expensive tyres with only two brands making them. Otherwise only a Model 3 tempted me to change.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
What's the best electric car under £20k used?

Cheaper the better it's for the wife and she only did 2-3k last year and only does 6-8k in a non Covid world.

Ideally boot needs to be able to accommodate a pram and rear needs isofix.

I'm looking at i3 or B class but wondering if I was missing anything?

Ideally going to go with something I can get extended warranty on so no surprises unless this isn't really required on an electric car.
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An Ioniq is a good choice, you can get the original 28kwh from about £13k with higher miles, the later 38kwh version can be had from around the £18k mark if you don't mind a CAT S or £21ish for a non tainted car. They're amazingly efficient so don't let the smaller battery size fool you, the 38kwh car will happily compete with a 50kwh car from other makes and get close to 200 miles on a charge. The only issue is the later 38 cars charge a lot slower at rapid chargers compared to the original. The 38's top out around 40ish kw which makes for a long time at the charger, the original 28 will go to almost 70kw and combined with the smaller battery means a very fast charging session but depends if you plan on charging away from home much, for most people the couple of times a year it'll happen makes it a non issue.

Otherwise i'd say one of the MG's is worth a look, a ZS at ok at about £18k but i'd be looking at the brand new MG5 which can be had for a smidge under £20k and that's a brand new car with a 7 year warranty and a real world 200 mile range. When the prices are so close i don't see why anyone would go for a ZS over an MG5 unless you really really want to have an SUV.
 
Given that PCH is supposed to be you paying the depreciation on a vehicle, and the Tesla Model depreciation over 3 years doesn't appear to be too bad (they appear to be holding their value quite well). Why are lease companies asking for comparatively high price for Model 3 leases? Taking the pi**? Just being cautious in case of cars suddenly losing value?
 
Two reasons, because people will pay it and used values will drop, it’s just a question of when and not if.

In reality there are very few cars actually for sale in the whole U.K., only about 90 and demand is high. Although I’m not sure who is buying them when you can just get a new facelift one for not much more.

I suspect we will start seeing a little movement there when the Model Y comes out. That said it probably will not be a huge amount as the model Y is going to start at like £55k and not really have a used market for a few years.
 
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