Is that really such a harsh reality, though? That's 300 miles and 5.5 hours or so - you'd surely be stopping at some point anyway for a comfort break? Sure, an ICE car would manage this on a single tank and you'd only have to stop for 5-10 minutes for the comfort break, but you won't lose that much time. A 30 minute stop would be enough on most EVs to give you the rest of the range, so you'd arrive maybe 20 minutes later? Is that honestly such an uncomfortable compromise?
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Is that really such a harsh reality, though? That's 300 miles and 5.5 hours or so - you'd surely be stopping at some point anyway for a comfort break? Sure, an ICE car would manage this on a single tank and you'd only have to stop for 5-10 minutes for the comfort break, but you won't lose that much time. A 30 minute stop would be enough on most EVs to give you the rest of the range, so you'd arrive maybe 20 minutes later? Is that honestly such an uncomfortable compromise?
This. People should really be stopping for a break every 2 or 3 hours. I know people dont, I am just as guilty as many as i drove from Durham to Cornwall in 9 hours with one 10 minute toilet/coffee stop earlier this year, some 484 mile journey.
Yes I should take a break, but that hour slack you put into your travelling plans when you are driving to catch a ferry can vanish in an instant with an accident on the motorway. With an EV I would still need to stop to charge whereas a comfort break is 10 mins top. Arriving at the destination with 15% charge wouldn’t work either as I would have to charge on arrival in France/Spain. And before you ask, Brittany Ferries have very limited onboard charging capability.
Also you make your planned stop to charge and you find all the charging stations busy or the charger is faulty. Your planned 45 min stop can become 90 mins.
If the majority of my mileage wasn’t in Western Europe, an EV would be idea… but the charging infrastructure is not mature enough for me.
The charging infrastructure is improving all the time though, waiting a couple of years makes sense for people who don't want to have to plan out journeys and stopping points.
If you had 350kW chargers at every service station then long journeys would be painless and you could stop for just 15 minutes and top up a decent amount. The Ioniq 5 would go from 20-80% and you'd be away again.
Once that speed is mainstream, grumbling about EV will disappear (although perceptions can be harder to shift than reality, so it might take a while for people to wake up to it)
If you had 350kW chargers at every service station then long journeys would be painless and you could stop for just 15 minutes and top up a decent amount. The Ioniq 5 would go from 20-80% and you'd be away again.
Once that speed is mainstream, grumbling about EV will disappear (although perceptions can be harder to shift than reality, so it might take a while for people to wake up to it)
Yeah its not there yet for me which I was I have gone hybrid for my next car, will go full EV in 3 years time. There will be more choice of EV cars and a much better charging network by then.
For me it’s more about those much more common 2-2.5 hour drives where you wouldn’t normally stop and there isn’t anywhere to charge at your destination. I live in a rural area and my ‘local’ city is an hours drive so it’s very normal to go well beyond that and some months that can be 2-3 times.
The once per year 300+ mile trips are less of an issue and it’s not too much of a hardship to build in some slack time.
The once per year 300+ mile trips are less of an issue and it’s not too much of a hardship to build in some slack time.
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Yeah i was just thinking about that myself actually now we're coming out of lockdown, living out in the sticks if i want to go on a day out to a railway which is something i used to regularly do - Anglesey to Bridgnorth to go to the Severn Valley Railway there it's about a 2.5 hour journey. No charging facilities at the far end so while i could make it there in an EV it would mean having to stop and charge on the way back, i'm sure once more destination chargers get sorted the problem will go away within say 5 years as i bet most parking spaces will have a slow charger which would be fine if visiting an attraction or whatever. It'd be the same for a lot of other railways i used to go to, everywhere seems to be at least 2 hours away, worst would be Anglesey to Bury, north of Manchester, not that far at like 110 miles but all motorway so it'd murder the range especially in the colder months.
That wouldn't personally put me off as i'm really up for an EV just need the cash to actually buy one.. but i can see why it'd a bit of a barrier for some folks in the short term.
For me there are actually plenty of rapid charging sites (almost all need more units mind!!). Sure there are some major non-motorway trunk roads that really need to be better served like the A14 but I think that will come in time.
Where it really lacks is actually 7.4kw AC posts. They should be everywhere in public car parks, hotels, airports, local attractions and basically anywhere a car is parked for more than 2 hours. At the moment they are completely lacking.
I wouldn’t even mind if they were load balancing and could not push out 7.4kw on all connectors at the same time. In reality not all are going to be plugged in and used and some cars will have finished while others are still going. They’d just need a few rules put around them, like move the car once done charging and they cost a bit more than home charging to discourage those who don’t really need it to charge from using them.
The more cheap 7.4kw posts there are, the less rapids you need and less pressure is put on that infrastructure and the grid.
Where it really lacks is actually 7.4kw AC posts. They should be everywhere in public car parks, hotels, airports, local attractions and basically anywhere a car is parked for more than 2 hours. At the moment they are completely lacking.
I wouldn’t even mind if they were load balancing and could not push out 7.4kw on all connectors at the same time. In reality not all are going to be plugged in and used and some cars will have finished while others are still going. They’d just need a few rules put around them, like move the car once done charging and they cost a bit more than home charging to discourage those who don’t really need it to charge from using them.
The more cheap 7.4kw posts there are, the less rapids you need and less pressure is put on that infrastructure and the grid.
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Totally agree. Just watching that Guy Martin programme with all the faulty EV chargers ... even the 150kwW chargers only working at a quarter of the speed. I watched numerous other videos on YouTube and reliability in the infrastructure seems to be a theme.
I definitely agree that there's a greater need for 7kw chargers everywhere, as opposed to an increase in fast chargers.
From my experience, fast charging is fine in most places as it only tends to be needed on the longer journeys where you can factor in time to charge.
It's more annoying if I go from say Manchester > Birmingham, its nice to be able to plug in the car to charge whilst I'm away for 2/3/4 hours. Using a fast chargers is good until you have to go back to the car in 30 minutes to unplug so it's free for the next person.
From my experience, fast charging is fine in most places as it only tends to be needed on the longer journeys where you can factor in time to charge.
It's more annoying if I go from say Manchester > Birmingham, its nice to be able to plug in the car to charge whilst I'm away for 2/3/4 hours. Using a fast chargers is good until you have to go back to the car in 30 minutes to unplug so it's free for the next person.
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Low KW AC chargers are cheap to deploy in mass and for the electric rates. Car parks were people park for a decent amount of time should offer something similar to paid for car-parks where if you make a purchase etc, you get the cost refunded. Or for people just wanting the juice, it's more expensive than home-charing to discourage use except when really needed.
This would then help attract people to shops, cinemas, restaurants etc all which need support now. There's various grants they can receive from Tesla, Governments, councils etc to help with the up front cost and then it pays for itself.
This would then help attract people to shops, cinemas, restaurants etc all which need support now. There's various grants they can receive from Tesla, Governments, councils etc to help with the up front cost and then it pays for itself.
Well i've run up my first 1000 miles in my ev and loved every minute of it.
I'm enjoying the peace and quiet of the near silent running, especially on the way to work in the morning when it's quieter in general.
And the KERS braking is great as now i only have to dab the brakes to come to a full stop.
ps i usually enjoy Guy Martins escapades but he seemed to pick knackered chargers to use, scotland and wales need to catch up with england that's for sure though.
And the range used in his first 20 mins in the ioniq is questionable, did he really fully charge it before he showed the "loss in battery charge" as he was pulling on the slip road?
This guy run up 972 miles in a week for his daily job, ev technician, without breaking a sweat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohCgTFMFwsI
Remember scaremongering spreads fear faster than the truth spreads facts.
I'm enjoying the peace and quiet of the near silent running, especially on the way to work in the morning when it's quieter in general.
And the KERS braking is great as now i only have to dab the brakes to come to a full stop.
ps i usually enjoy Guy Martins escapades but he seemed to pick knackered chargers to use, scotland and wales need to catch up with england that's for sure though.
And the range used in his first 20 mins in the ioniq is questionable, did he really fully charge it before he showed the "loss in battery charge" as he was pulling on the slip road?
This guy run up 972 miles in a week for his daily job, ev technician, without breaking a sweat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohCgTFMFwsI
Remember scaremongering spreads fear faster than the truth spreads facts.
@Jonnycoupe not to be a stalker but without getting lost in the swarm of comments, that Hyundai is absolutely stunning!
Your experience will vary where you live though. It would appear that in a 50km area to where I live there are 4 chargers for EV cars. That doesnt seem like enough to me.
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Exterior with the plug socket for 3.6kW Vehicle to Load (V2L)
For me I think the KIA EV6 will be more compelling in terms of interior layout. You can see how large it is compared to IPACE. It’s about 50mm taller and the wheelbase a fraction (10mm) longer than the Jag.
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hmm, I never noticed how angular the Ioniq is before, I did like the promo shots but think it looks awful now, its a mess. 
reposted pictures.
yes I now think ioniq 5 outside looks Qwerky rather than pleasantly retro (lancia delta ....)
The utube ev repair guy was recharging at his clients - if I remember right - a career change is one charging solution
I'd watched his ev6 ioniq5 intro
but if the difference to ev 6 is only £4K, interior is nicer, and, they haven't spent money on this rear seat adjustment palaver either, but, they will have difficulties differentiating themselves;
ioniq seem to have started their leases at reasonablish ~£500 p/m, one such strategy.
First Look At Kia EV6, Ioniq5 & The Little E.Go!
haven't seen a picture of ev6 next to ioniq 5 yet, to see if ev6 is noticably more svelte.
yes I now think ioniq 5 outside looks Qwerky rather than pleasantly retro (lancia delta ....)
The utube ev repair guy was recharging at his clients - if I remember right - a career change is one charging solution
I'd watched his ev6 ioniq5 intro
but if the difference to ev 6 is only £4K, interior is nicer, and, they haven't spent money on this rear seat adjustment palaver either, but, they will have difficulties differentiating themselves;
ioniq seem to have started their leases at reasonablish ~£500 p/m, one such strategy.
First Look At Kia EV6, Ioniq5 & The Little E.Go!
haven't seen a picture of ev6 next to ioniq 5 yet, to see if ev6 is noticably more svelte.
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It's a whopper! There's a hint of cyber truck going on in that. It looks like something from a computer game.