EV general discussion

[b0rn2sk8]

Why do you have to live in London? This would be ideal for the lady across the road from me who has a Yaris, she drives about 1.5 miles a day each way to work, parks the car then comes home. She has her shopping delivered every week at the same time, and never goes anywhere else in it other than the local Spar as she is too lazy (unhealthy) to walk there.

The Ami is a great solution for village pootler's, and people who use there car as literally short range transport from A to B and back again.

Because as soon as you need to go out of most villages or towns you are onto 60mph roads and the Ami tops out at 30 mph down hill with a tail wind.

No one really buys are car for the journeys they do everyday, they base it on the once/twice a month journeys. Hell sometimes it’s on a once a year journey or less.

It’s fine for a second car that never needs to leave local roads but even then most second cards still leave local roads every now and then.

In your example, she’d be stuffed when she wants to go to the garden centre.

Exactly though, why subsidise when already demand is high versus supply. Better to use the tax for people who need it. Eg a tax cut on fuel who cant afford an EV but still need to run a car.

I wasn’t suggesting they should be subsidised, more of a general groan that manufacturers are still not building them quickly enough despite demand being there long before covid impacts.

I’m sure the likes of Toyota could have put out a great Leaf/Zoe competitor a decade ago and made that segment really interesting. The quality of their products is great, the company has just had its head in its *** for over a decade.

 

[touch]

Thats a lot of money to rent a 4 wheel bike (6kW) for 2 years. 6.9% APR too

No it's not. Where are you going to rent a 6kw bike for that price?

 

[SDK^]

Thats a lot of money to rent a 4 wheel bike (6kW, 27mph Max speed) for 2 years. 6.9% APR too

True - but for those that want added safety of 4 wheels and a roof it's a no brainer.
In London you'd probably save that much on the Congestion charge each week, and good luck getting above 20mph

 

[Journey]

In your example, she’d be stuffed when she wants to go to the garden centre.

Ermm. if you saw her drive/garden you'd know that would never be an issue.

Oh, and if it was, the local garden centre is 1.5 miles away, and there is no requirement to leave a 40mph limit road, and they do free delivery with in 3 miles if you spend over £20, I've used them a lot

It’s fine for a second car that never needs to leave local roads but even then most second cards still leave local roads every now and then.

You are assuming everyone needs a second car, they don't. As stated they don't ever go anywhere other than work, and the shops. We had a good chat over the Jubilee weekend and she'd love a small electric car, but couldn't justify paying out for a Cosa-E/Fiat 500e from her 10 year old Yaris, something like an Ami would fit her needs just fine. I know its hard to take other people lifestyles and such into consideration sometimes. and it is hard to picture where they live etc. but no need to jump to "must need" but instead maybe consider that isn't the case all of the time.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Electric cars can get the juices going, sometimes. But I'm lost any motivation when we move to talking peoples neighbours. Do we need a net-curtain subsection?

 

[jpaul]

In London you'd probably save that much on the Congestion charge each week, and good luck getting above 20mph

best of both worlds - an electric motorbike for getting around london - you'd be able to exploit the acceleration too.

Had confirmation my Peugeot E2008 arrives June 26th

was that a wry smile - or you'll slip in with the grant.

maybe government will transfer some funding into electric pedal bikes, since they also seem to be promoting escooter legalisation.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

No it's not. Where are you going to rent a 6kw bike for that price?

Just buy one?

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[Simon]

No it's not. Where are you going to rent a 6kw bike for that price?

Why would you need 6kW on a bike. For as much use that car is. You may aswell buy a e bike and a rainmac.

When are you ordering yours then ?

 

[touch]

Why would you need 6kW on a bike.

So your comparison is that it's more expensive than a hypothetical product which nobody would ever need?

 

[lordrobs]

Let's be honest, the Ami is going to be an absolute liability on the roads for the few people that buy one.

Which thankfully despite all the "it's a no brainer" comments will probably be limited to a few eccentric OAPs who fancy an EV downgrade from their Axiam Microcar.

The middle ground between daft concepts like the Ami and the unnecessary 0-62 in 3 seconds machines is where the difference will be made. Already some good options in this segment though with more on the way.

 

[sandys]

Fancy a Citroen Ami? : https://www.citroen.co.uk/reserve-your-ami.html
It's yours on PCP for £19.99 over 24 months with a £2,369 deposit : https://www.media.stellantis.com/uk...-electric-available-from-just-19-99-per-month

If it was like France and we could put out 14yr old in one, there'd be one on the drive now, less miserable than using a bike in the UK.

 

[Simon]

So your comparison is that it's more expensive than a hypothetical product which nobody would ever need?

A bike is a bit lighter than a car so wouldn't need such a big motor was my point. In the UK you need a bike license for one anyway so not really sure it works in this country

Having a look at Cupra Born now, there are some in stock for Sept, my mini order is now late Jan 2023 and the Cupra reviews are good with the benefit of a bigger battery.

 

[chroniclard]

Still hoping them make a sporty Cupra at some point.

 

[touch]

A bike is a bit lighter than a car so wouldn't need such a big motor was my point. In the UK you need a bike license for one anyway so not really sure it works in this country

Yep, I agree that motorbikes are lighter, have smaller engines and are cheaper than cars. A motorbike will also suit some people's requirements. I still don't see the logic in saying that the car is not good value for money because a motorbike is cheaper.

That Cupra Born your looking at is a nice car but it's a load of money to spend on a (150kw) 4 wheeled bike!
Get a Damon Hypersport instead, it's got the same power and costs half the price.

 

[Fr0dders]

Electric Car Grants withdrawn: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61795693

No doubt the government is terrified of how many people are going to be switching to electric due to the raise in petrol / diesel costs. Obviously the government isn't going to lose the 30 billion pounds (or whatever it is) revenue from fuel overnight, but on a balance sheet the government will be losing money both ways in this - less fuel duty revenue and giving grants to people to do it as well.

Especially since they haven't figured out yet how to recoup all that money lost in fuel duty and rumoured plans for GPS Tracking new cars and charging you directly per mile haven't gone down well.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

There is a simple solution and there always has been. Make VED about £500 for a cheap super mini and £1500+ for a Range Rover (scale based on list price and WLTP efficiency). Collect via direct debit. Job jobbed. That would probably raise more than fuel duty as it stands anyway before you take into account all the alternative furled trucks that will need taxing.

In a couple of years time you could also go full Norway and apply it to ICE as well without without withdrawing fuel duty. A nice incentive to not buy a V8 Range Rover for driving around Kensington….

 

[Jonnycoupe]

They are far from 'terrified', they are making it law in only a handful of years,

 

[Fr0dders]

maybe unprepared may be fairer then. Announcing it and having it take effect from the moment of the announcement suggests this wasn't exactly the most well planned of changes. The fact they still don't have an alternative to fuel duty also adds fuel to the theory they aren't best prepared for it.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Agree, was the same for the reduction they made last year though and the change was far more significant.

 

[Simon]

maybe unprepared may be fairer then. Announcing it and having it take effect from the moment of the announcement suggests this wasn't exactly the most well planned of changes. The fact they still don't have an alternative to fuel duty also adds fuel to the theory they aren't best prepared for it.

theres no need to incentivise with grants- demand is huge, the subsides can be used elsewhere. (and will be )