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Fuzz said:
Take a cable extension reel and Run your granny cable out the window of your apartment / flat / hotel to where you parked it :D

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If you're walking up Symonds yat then stop off at old court hotels rapid on the way down from ross.
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Nah, we’re staying with someone in an old house. Not only would I not want to try their electrics, it is beyond cheeky to expect to be able to charge my car up at someone else’s house.

EDIT: not sure of the plan yet but I’ll keep that in mind. May just stop off on the way down for 20 minutes somewhere and see how we fare.

Honestly, hate that I need to plan so much. I knew I was entering a nerdy, early-adopter lifestyle when I got the Kona but meh…
 
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squerble said:
Nah, we’re staying with someone in an old house. Not only would I not want to try their electrics, it is beyond cheeky to expect to be able to charge my car up at someone else’s house.
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Do you not have the option of reducing amp draw on yours (I don't know what you drive)
You could also PAY THEM :p :D
 
Drive most of the length of the A1 ‘up north’ last night. I was only meant to stop once at a tesla charger but I seemingly over did it with the fluid intake and needed to make 3 pit stops.

On the plus side it looks like Moto and Gridserve are finally cracking on. 6 350kw chargers at Grantham are built and just waiting for the switch on. It didn’t help the people queueing for the 50kw again tonight but hopefully it will not be a complete turd for much longer. That said, it’s probably or enough and I expect they’ll also be very busy once they are open and most of the Gridserve sites seem to be.

There was a bunch more under construction at Blythe which will also help.
 
squerble said:
Mrs has arranged a weekend down in Ross-on-Wye for us, so this will be the first journey where I'm going to need public charging! Not looking forward to it really.
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Pretty harsh on your Mrs, she organises you a nice weekend away and you say you aren't looking forward to it. :D
 
Well we have just bought a 72 reg. petrol driven car with a seven year warranty. I may look around at the situation and infrastructure in about 2028/9. If I am still driving.
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I ordered a VW ID4 Life Pro with the 77kwh battery in January. Delivery expected to be mid-December, but I reckon it will slip. Not overly fussed as it's through work and price protected anyway. Gives me an opportunity to get my solar panels in place prior to delivery. Lol
 
That’s mental. Pretty sure VW were planning to be building significantly more at this point. They must be having some serious issues with the ramp, Ukraine didn’t help things there.
 
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Yeah i'd noticed used prices of some EVs have really gone down in the last month, ideal for me who's looking to buy one at some point.

Used original Ioniqs have gone from 17-18k down to around 13k and you can get into the facelift one with the 38kwh battery for 16k now which was over 20k around Christmas.

But then again when i did do the numbers the other day with the price of electric now there really isn't much financial incentive to do it, especially if you need to spend a grand on a charger the pay back time can be quite a way off unfortunately :(

I'd looked at the octopus tariffs while you get a cheap night rate the day rate was like 45p+ a unit so if you were doing moderate miles you'd probably be better off just staying on the price cap and charging up with a granny lead whenever you needed?
 
sovietspybob said:
Yeah i'd noticed used prices of some EVs have really gone down in the last month, ideal for me who's looking to buy one at some point.

Used original Ioniqs have gone from 17-18k down to around 13k and you can get into the facelift one with the 38kwh battery for 16k now which was over 20k around Christmas.

But then again when i did do the numbers the other day with the price of electric now there really isn't much financial incentive to do it, especially if you need to spend a grand on a charger the pay back time can be quite a way off unfortunately :(

I'd looked at the octopus tariffs while you get a cheap night rate the day rate was like 45p+ a unit so if you were doing moderate miles you'd probably be better off just staying on the price cap and charging up with a granny lead whenever you needed?
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On economy 7 I still save about £40 overall by charging at night and paying a fortune during the day (17p vs. 47p I think). Granny charging is more than fine for me and my usage.

If you went for one of the specific Octopus EV tariffs where it is like "Economy 4" - you may need a car charger as granny charging may not touch the sides.
 
sovietspybob said:
I'd looked at the octopus tariffs while you get a cheap night rate the day rate was like 45p+ a unit so if you were doing moderate miles you'd probably be better off just staying on the price cap and charging up with a granny lead whenever you needed?
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I worked out I'd only need to do 2,500 miles a year (or 2.5k miles worth of charging, at least) in my Kona to "breakeven" on the higher day price. If you can do things like run washing machines and dishwashers overnight in the same GO period, it quickly comes down. I'm only doing about 5,000 miles a year, and with a few washing machine runs overnight and an electric radiator in one room, I've got my average unit cost down to around 22p/kWh, despite having 42.3p/kWh day rate, with 7.5p/kWh overnight.

Granny charging is fine, but it's really slow. Honestly, really slow. Even on a 7kW PodPoint, I can only add around 37% charge to a 64kWh Kona in those 4 hour windows. That means planning ahead if I need 100% charge in the morning. Even running at a full 10A charge on the granny charger it takes around 39 hours, so even without the overnight window it's still a very long time.
 
squerble said:
I worked out I'd only need to do 2,500 miles a year (or 2.5k miles worth of charging, at least) in my Kona to "breakeven" on the higher day price. If you can do things like run washing machines and dishwashers overnight in the same GO period, it quickly comes down. I'm only doing about 5,000 miles a year, and with a few washing machine runs overnight and an electric radiator in one room, I've got my average unit cost down to around 22p/kWh, despite having 42.3p/kWh day rate, with 7.5p/kWh overnight.

Granny charging is fine, but it's really slow. Honestly, really slow. Even on a 7kW PodPoint, I can only add around 37% charge to a 64kWh Kona in those 4 hour windows. That means planning ahead if I need 100% charge in the morning. Even running at a full 10A charge on the granny charger it takes around 39 hours, so even without the overnight window it's still a very long time.
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Did you add the £1k charger into that break even
 
Simon said:
Did you add the £1k charger into that break even
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That's a fair point; no, I didn't. With my estimated mileage, load shifting, and day usage, I'm about £400/year better off on GO. If that scales out to the three years of the car lease, then I'm about £1200 better off, or just £200 better off after the £1k PodPoint install.

That said, the EVSE will continue being used on the next car, and the car after, plus my partner eventually getting an EV, so then the payback over the first three years matters less.
 
dLockers said:
On economy 7 I still save about £40 overall by charging at night and paying a fortune during the day (17p vs. 47p I think). Granny charging is more than fine for me and my usage.

If you went for one of the specific Octopus EV tariffs where it is like "Economy 4" - you may need a car charger as granny charging may not touch the sides.
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squerble said:
I worked out I'd only need to do 2,500 miles a year (or 2.5k miles worth of charging, at least) in my Kona to "breakeven" on the higher day price. If you can do things like run washing machines and dishwashers overnight in the same GO period, it quickly comes down. I'm only doing about 5,000 miles a year, and with a few washing machine runs overnight and an electric radiator in one room, I've got my average unit cost down to around 22p/kWh, despite having 42.3p/kWh day rate, with 7.5p/kWh overnight.

Granny charging is fine, but it's really slow. Honestly, really slow. Even on a 7kW PodPoint, I can only add around 37% charge to a 64kWh Kona in those 4 hour windows. That means planning ahead if I need 100% charge in the morning. Even running at a full 10A charge on the granny charger it takes around 39 hours, so even without the overnight window it's still a very long time.
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yeah that's interesting, just looked any signing up now it's 10p or 12 a unit at night and 44.28p in the day depending on the tariff but looks like you need a compatible ev charger to even qualify for that tariff which again having to spend a grand doesn't do it any favours cost wise. I need to get a spreadsheet on the go.

Currently i don't do many miles, maybe 100 miles a week at the moment so im sure a granny charger would be ok for that but if i went back to commuting 5 days a week that's 250 miles before anything else so i'd probably need a proper charger at that stage.
 
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sovietspybob said:
yeah that's interesting, just looked any signing up now it's 10p or 12 a unit at night and 44.28p in the day depending on the tariff but looks like you need a compatible ev charger to even qualify for that tariff which again having to spend a grand doesn't do it any favours cost wise. I need to get a spreadsheet on the go.

Currently i don't do many miles, maybe 100 miles a week at the moment so im sure a granny charger would be ok for that but if i went back to commuting 5 days a week that's 250 miles before anything else so i'd probably need a proper charger at that stage.
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Octopus only require a specialist charger, the Ohme Pro, or certain car makes/models, for the Intelligent Octopus tariff which is 6 hours at 10p iirc.

Octopus Go is 4 hours at 12p but doesn't require a specific car/charger so can be used by anyone.
 
I've switched to Octopus tracker. It's only about 22p/kWh at the moment for all day use so I just charge my car at the standard rate rather than pay more at other times when not charging
 
chanjy said:
I've switched to Octopus tracker. It's only about 22p/kWh at the moment for all day use so I just charge my car at the standard rate rather than pay more at other times when not charging
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How often do you get screwed on this?
 
jpaul said:
after watching Sandy's rant on q4 e-tron sharing id4 platform, wonder if manufacturing priority/capacity is allocated there.
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I watched this yesterday - honestly, as good and experienced as this guy is, he's getting a bit irrelevant now.

He complains that he doesn't understand what 'B' mode is on the drive selector - Then straight after, complains the car doesn't have brake re-gen :cry:
In most of his videos he constantly complaining he doesn't understand the infotainment interface, so the car is 'rubbish', and often the button icon he's looking for is right in front of his eyes. sometimes the person filming points it out to him.

I'm sure current car designers really look forward to hearing his opinion on their work :cry:
 
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