So instead of moaning about it
Tell me how it possible to charge an electric car if i owned one ?
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Tell me how it possible to charge an electric car if i owned one ?
What?
How was my original post indicative of what you as an individual can achieve now? It was aimed at showing what 'can be' achieved when you have a supportive local government, which people continually state cannot be done, or will not be done etc.
Who's fault is it that you chose to live an house without a drive or off-street parking, yours. Who can do something about the place where you work installing charging points, er, well you could ask maybe? Who can do something about getting more charging points installed in the areas you live, well you can, write to your MP, write to your local councillors, write to companies like BP Charge Master. How does anyone/company/local authority know if there is no demand being voiced?
So going back to my original post, not just your own personal circumstances, are you not pleased that other people/countries/companies showing what can be achieved already? Does that not give you some hope that 'you' may have access to this kind of infrastructure when 'we' over here pull our socks up? Probably not, you'll still moan that you couldn't do it last week so its all rubbish, and why bother etc.
Let’s be realistic, gurney could go full electric tomorrow if they wanted. You’d need hardly any chargers to cover 80k cars, there would only be a need for a few rapids to service those going to/coming from the mainland.
The average driver is going less than 100 miles a week.
The average driver is going less than 100 miles a week.
Completely ignoring everything that was written and referred to is hardly taking part in a discussion, and just trying to alter the topic to suit you seems to be more like what is happening with you.
That's still quite a lot and who will pay for all those. Not enough people own EVs for it to attract a big enough government budget. Plus all the work to upgrade infrastructure.
I can see what Journey is getting at.
There are two schools of 'typical' opposition as I see it.
Those who say 'its not ready yet but with x, y and z it could work for me' and those who say 'x, y and z are impossible and electric cars will never work'.
All Journey is saying to that second group is that yes, these things can be done, with the proper backing. The first group still have a point in terms of timeline but that first group aren't rubbishing the entire concept, just the idea that their personal circumstances don't yet suit.
There are two schools of 'typical' opposition as I see it.
Those who say 'its not ready yet but with x, y and z it could work for me' and those who say 'x, y and z are impossible and electric cars will never work'.
All Journey is saying to that second group is that yes, these things can be done, with the proper backing. The first group still have a point in terms of timeline but that first group aren't rubbishing the entire concept, just the idea that their personal circumstances don't yet suit.
He said there’s only 2 chargers on his whole island for a start.
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Ancient technology? Doesn't the electrical car pre date both the petrol and diesel engine?
A number of council's including my local one just announced for 2020 they are continuing to do there bit to combat climate change by delivering more charging points for electric cars and by making the council fleet of vehicles as green as possible. Moving the council fleet over creates the extra needed EV's to justify the extra infrastructure. As more councils do that and as the sale of 100% fuel cars slows down and then drops its only a matter of time before pure fuel cars vanish and EV infrastructure accelerates even more. Its going be a slow process but the EV infrastructure growth will accelerate while 100% fuel cars are a dying breed on the way out.
For most of us in our life time new petrol and diesel cars should cease to exist and from there its only a matter of time as the petrol and diesel infrastructure starts to disappear as the amount of petrol and diesel cars shrink year on year.
This is were the problem is
The government is not going to fork out millions of pounds to install chargers for a handful of electric cars so the people are not willing to buy an electric car when there no where to charge them
Catch 22
Its not catch 22. First the government has already put out many millions of pounds to install chargers and has put out millions more for 2020. In fact its governments policy to phase out patrol/diesel’s cars altogether. At which point you wont have any choice but to buy a new EV.This is were the problem is
The government is not going to fork out millions of pounds to install chargers for a handful of electric cars so the people are not willing to buy an electric car when there no where to charge them
Catch 22
2nd the council/government will move the council/government fleet over to EV's. This means they now have the base numbers to install more then a handful of chargers.
Amusing really how many people think the production of all this electricity is wonderful and carbon free. Especially once demand really ramps up.
You will never see a complete end to internal combustion engines because an electric car will always need a power source to charge. Some places in the world still need to use internal combustion to generate the power they use for domestic needs let alone transportation.
Millions...but handed over to contractors. So probably one charger.
The cars themselves will be a different budget.
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It’s all a spectator sport with passionate people on both sides. Just a shame we can’t run the cars on all the hot air in here.
I’m really hoping to go EV this year, just need to work out if I can get 32A power in my garage!
I’m really hoping to go EV this year, just need to work out if I can get 32A power in my garage!
Electric cars were around when ICE cars were first invented. Both are about the same age so if the ICE is ancient, so is the BEV.
Let’s not start using stupid names. One tech was just far more practical and the other one is just now catching up (and surpassing in some uses).
The reality is, currently and in the near future, some people and locations will be better positioned to take advantage of BEVs than others. People looking to buy today will obviously be thinking about what is available today, not in 3-5 years. Also the installation of chargers costs money, which needs to come from somewhere. That means even if governments and organizations are or are not forward thinking they still need the money to install them.
while he may be looking “backwards” be careful you don’t end up falling into the trap of looking too far “forwards”. That’s something a lot in the EV “community” have a habit of doing unfortunately and it just makes them seem aloof and out of touch.
Yet if you bothered to look at where the whole conversation started, it was that Oslo airport have 727 EV chargers in one location and that charging infrastructure can be improved easily and it is possible if effort is put in to it.
When people are being deliberately obtuse and avoiding the topic and start focusing on their own specifics it doesn't make any sense, just wastes others time.
So how would you like to engage with the original comment, about how much, and how easily public charging/destination charging can be improved, and that there is first hand hard evidence showing such an accomplishment? Nothing 'out of touch' with actual reality, huh?
My garage currently isn’t powered, but it should be soon. I’m planning upgrading our connection to 200A and putting in a couple of 32A sockets for chargers in future.
It’s just disappointing how slow things have been going over the last 5 years. Unfortunately nothing has really been living up to its promise for me so far (including Tesla). A lot of hot air that ends up falling flat in many situations.
Yet if you bothered to look at where the whole conversation started, it was that Oslo airport have 727 EV chargers in one location and that charging infrastructure can be improved easily and it is possible if effort is put in to it.
When people are being deliberately obtuse and avoiding the topic and start focusing on their own specifics it doesn't make any sense, just wastes others time.
So how would you like to engage with the original comment, about how much, and how easily public charging/destination charging can be improved, and that there is first hand hard evidence showing such an accomplishment? Nothing 'out of touch' with actual reality, huh?
Yes, one location, in a country with a trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund which has a massive tax on ICE cars (and always has). It’s certainly not representative of the rest of the world. Chapparel was just pointing out that where he lives it’s not the same. Why are the 727 chargers in Norway relevant to someone that lives in Guernsey?
As for engaging. I’m all for public charging and think it should be rolled out more. However I also realize that it costs a significant sum of money and is not going to happen overnight. A single location in the aforementioned super rich, low population country is not going to change that. Hence being out of touch with reality. Yes it will happen, but not overnight.
There are too many in the EV “community” that really “fanboys”, with just as much hatred of ICE vehicles as any anti EV person. So many of the seem to literally want every manufacturer but Tesla to fail and really seem to believe things would change overnight if “big oil” was out in its place. I’m not suggesting you’re one of those people, but some of the sentiment is similar.