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So an Ampera then? :p
With a 16kw battery and 1.4L petrol engine, No. Perhaps if it hadn't been discontinued and had improved over the years it would be a really popular car now. A 40kw battery and 1L generator would be a much better balance for many now I think.

The mazda is interesting. But is that really what the MX5 buyers want? Surely putting that kind of tech into a CX-3 would be a must better match.
 
I doubt it is an MX5 replacement as article suggests it is quite large compared to a 5, more like an RX7/RX8 successor but its size and low weight relative to most other EV things on the market with ~400bhp makes it quite interesting.
 
With a 16kw battery and 1.4L petrol engine, No. Perhaps if it hadn't been discontinued and had improved over the years it would be a really popular car now. A 40kw battery and 1L generator would be a much better balance for many now I think.

Yes, sorry, I should have clarified I did mean an up-to-date version of what an Ampera would be today :)
 
I'm not sure Mazda's desperation to use a rotary for anything they can possibly think of is going to be the right solution for REX vehicles but at least they're pushing the idea and hopefully will spur a few other manufacturers to (re)think about the concept too.

A rotary is perfect for a range extender solution. They absolutely love working at constant revs and can be tuned for great fuel economy because of that. They are smooth as butter and extremely small for packaging.
 
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The model Y LR misses its targeted range by quite a bit I think it’s like 20% less due to being AWD. But it is a rapid car.

Also the boot is a bit of an issue. Due to the slopey rear end, you can get kiddie bikes and luggages in and you need to invest in a bike trailer albeit you will need that anyways for adult bikes + luggage

Maybe someone to consider of the above is applicable to you
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Thanks, as I said the biggest pull for me is the super chargers since these are on common journeys we do. I’m not too fussed about overall range/efficiency as long as it’s good.
However, there are many range tests of Model Y LR’s and all seem to think it’s highly efficient. As a direct comparison to the Enyaq, Bjorn Nyland has collated all his fairly standardised road tests and like for like, the earlier Model Y LR is absolutely on par with the Enyaq for range, despite having 4kwh+ less battery, and was more efficient.
Rsymonsev often road tests 2 or 3 cars together and also speaks highly of the model y lr range and efficiency. The 2022 model Y‘s got a heatpump and slightly larger battery so probably even better.


The boot is a good point, the Model Y is closer to the Enyaq coupe and deffo not that nice square load area..but in terms of banana boxes, it’s equivalent to the Enyaq SUV, a couple more than the Enyaq Coupe.. so all good.
 
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The PHEV project is pretty much at a dead end in reality, certainly in Europe. It’s just a shame it came 10 years too late, it was an obvious next step after the Prius launched in ….1997!

At this point you really do have to question what games the likes of Toyota and Mazda are playing at this point.

Honda’s early efforts have also been very poor as well. The ‘E’ has its charm but it is not a car anyone should actually buy.
 
ZEV's - Think the threat of congestion charges that phev's may attract, over bev's, will increasingly factor in the next purchase decision; I wouldn't want to pay £10+ / day getting into cambridge, abroad ...

3-Highland, on road, review
-noise, +suspension
 
Remember a few days ago when we had some who would claim to know about cars saying insurance not going up for ICE?

Martin Lewis says : "The new stats are from different sources from last month, analysts at Consumer Intelligence, who assess 17m quotes a year. The stats show premiums are up a whopping 61% on last year, while comparison site Confused says the average price is now a massive £924 a year."
 
What sort of pack size do you need to go 80 miles in a PHEV given they are usually less efficient than a full BEV? A leaf needed ~30kwh to do that reliably.

I can’t help but feel like it would be more expensive than just building a full BEV at this point, certainly way more complex on the packaging front. It will probably heavier as well which is always a complaint of the most avid ICE advocates.

Currently 24kwh in an X5 50 e to do 62 miles. So yeah it would need 31kWh. but between the 45e and 50e BMW didnt fit a larger battery to increase the range by 10 miles, just a better battery. So as battery tech improves we will get range increases without putting bigger batteries in.
 
The PHEV project is pretty much at a dead end in reality, certainly in Europe. It’s just a shame it came 10 years too late, it was an obvious next step after the Prius launched in ….1997!

At this point you really do have to question what games the likes of Toyota and Mazda are playing at this point.

Short sighted governments are really the only reason PHEVs struggled as they are taxed unfairly due to the assumption they are not used properly by those that buy them, but there are plenty of people that do use them properly and of course it is not difficult with all the hardware and software onboard to force these thing to be EV in LEZ.

Shame PHEVs get such a bashing really, does everything well, round town EV, no problem, towing big stuff, no problem, no range issues there either, I’d struggle to do less than 350 miles even when towing, never mind the ability to do 600 without towing, do I need that, no, but then I don’t need to be planning trips with military precision factoring in multiple fall back chargers or clinging to undesirable routes so I can stay on a motorway with rapid charge facilities either.

There’d be a lot more zero emission driving if governments were a bit more relaxed on what technology was acceptable, it does irk me that I‘ll have to pay such silly amounts of tax versus an EV, 75% of our use has been done on electric, most of the EV use is inner city driving where the air quality is more of a concern, surely that is better than the 0% it would have been if I didn’t have that PHEV choice, hey ho, it is what it is.

More PHEV range would be sweet, low to mid 30s of mine not quite enough some days, that updated X5 50e with ~60 looks handy.
 
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I know that Mercedes took DC fast charging off the GLE facelift because customer feedback was that nobody bothered to use it on long trips.

And to be honest, if you are an EV driver and you pull up to a charger that is being used by a PHEV, rightly or wrongly it's pretty annoying when you know they can just get on with their trip on fossil fuels.
 
And to be honest, if you are an EV driver and you pull up to a charger that is being used by a PHEV, rightly or wrongly it's pretty annoying when you know they can just get on with their trip on fossil fuels.

Why should they? Using electric as well will make the journey cheaper. It's the whole point.
 
I know that Mercedes took DC fast charging off the GLE facelift because customer feedback was that nobody bothered to use it on long trips.

And to be honest, if you are an EV driver and you pull up to a charger that is being used by a PHEV, rightly or wrongly it's pretty annoying when you know they can just get on with their trip on fossil fuels.
I have seen PHEV plugged in ultra fast charger when there are 22kw and 50kw chargers nearby ie the other side of the car park.

It’s beyond understanding why PHEV drivers take up ultra fast chargers.
 
Yup at public charging points petrol can be cheaper especially if your EV side is as inefficient as mine, 2.4mi/kw FTL :D

Needs the free charging from work or cheap home charging to make sense.
 
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