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Yeah it is here to stay. Personally... sometimes it feels a bit like we are beta testing these systems. Take lane keeping assist on my current car. 99+% of the time it works flawlessly and I don't even know it exists... then you get to a crappy country lane and it goes psychopathic on you, yanking the wheel left and right which is massively annoying. Vauxhalls advice, from the owners manual;
Perfect. So while navigating a less than perfect NSL country road, while the car is yanking me left and right I need to;
- Go into the assist systems menu (thankfully a shortcut button on the dash)
- Scroll through the shortcuts to find lane keeping *assuming you've assigned it as a shortcut
- Touch the tiny on screen toggle switch
- Touch confirm
It's frankly dangerous. The argument would probably be for every person who drives into a ditch trying to switch it off ten are saved from sleep driving their way into the central reservation but for me that isn't good enough. Nor is the fact it works fine for 99% of the time, the <1% is what matters.
I haven't experienced many other systems and of those that I have this is probably the best one I've come across but until it is perfected I'd rather have the option for it to default to off, without a warning on the dash, rather than the prescribed implementation.
While this isn't an EV specific thing, given the conversation is happening here I wondered if anyone knows what impact disabling these safety features has in the event of insurance claims? e.g. if you code out things like automatic collision braking and speed warnings etc so they are just off all the time, would it invalidate any claim you tried to make in the event of say a collision?
It's interesting. These safety features like lane assistance and speed warnings in theory should also go someway to improving the overall driving standards which seem to be dropping rapidly. Do people turn these things off because they are unreliable/unpredictable/broken or is it because their standard of driving is poor and they don't recognise that as the problem where as the system is trying to genuinely help them but the popups and alerts are annoying lol No shade being thrown at anyone who does disable these things of course. That's your personal choice.
It's interesting. These safety features like lane assistance and speed warnings in theory should also go someway to improving the overall driving standards which seem to be dropping rapidly. Do people turn these things off because they are unreliable/unpredictable/broken or is it because their standard of driving is poor and they don't recognise that as the problem where as the system is trying to genuinely help them but the popups and alerts are annoying lol No shade being thrown at anyone who does disable these things of course. That's your personal choice.
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For people that need them, nothing. I guess people wonder why obesity is going up and up, when we add another motor to another form of transport.
I realise I have quite strong opinions on E-bikes, but that's just me. I cry inside every time I go in a bike shop and you have to search for the 'normal' bikes, as everything on display is an e-bike
Would you rather someone commuted by car, or used an e-bike?
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Just have to press the driving assist button on the steering wheel twice on my cars since GSRII to move to your custom driver assistance setup. I dont think it could be any easier and my wife leaves it as she likes the speed warning 
I strongly suspect that more e-bikes means less obesity. The alternative to e-bikes, for most people, is a car or a bus rather than a pushbike. Plus they are really good for older people who are no longer fit enough to cycle long distances. My neighbours do 60km bike tours with theirs, no way are they doing that with old fashioned pedal power.
Yeah had similar when overtaking a push bike on a country lane. I turned the wheel right and the lane assistance pulled the wheel left towards the cyclist…
Indicate firstYeah had similar when overtaking a push bike on a country lane. I turned the wheel right and the lane assistance pulled the wheel left towards the cyclist…
This might be one of the reasons why I don't mind lane keep assist. The lane keep assist on my ford I would describe more as a general nudge. I can feel the wheel wanting to pull me over, but never with enough force that I actually have to increase my grip significantly on the wheel. I certainly don't feel i'm wrestling with it.
If I resist and don't let it move, it gives up and the lane keep assist indicator on the instrument cluster shows a red line next to whatever line It thinks i'm crossing over. The ford system is calibrated just right, it's not too intrusive and doesn't fight you and i would go so far as to describe it useful were I actually to stray out of the lane.
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Using a lot less battery in this warmer weather!
Not sure on some of the points, but others are valid, see below.
1. Headlight depends on the spec, they are laser on the PP with full adaptive mode,
2. Again spec difference, they seats are fully electric on anything but the entry spec.
3.I though the infotainment on the ID.7 was more responsive, but I prefer the maps etc on the Merc.
4. Can't comment personal thing.
5. Both OK, but I know what you mean about the on streeling controls they are annoying AF for such a premium car, reminds me of when the ID.3 first came out.
I'd like to get a fully weekend in the CLA to compare, again a lot of Marc/BMW/Audi etc come to what you spec out of the factory. We'd have likely ended up with an ID.7 if it wasn't missing the pano roof for the in stock cars, oh and the colours.
Mini is super efficient round town/city in the warmer weather, you'll see 5.5-6mpKWh no issues, if not more depends on the literal lay of the land.
I don't think it is that much hyperbole to say lane assist type feature has almost got me killed on one occasion and been dangerous in another - I always have that disabled now, but forward collision systems have been another story so far in my experience they've worked fine and in a couple of instance actually been useful. I'm not against some of the other systems if they are an alert rather than something which interferes with the operation of the vehicle - blind spot warning and speed awareness are good to have.
I'm amazed lane assist type features are often enabled by default - not an exaggeration that I've had it try and nudge me into the path of a lorry before.
EDIT: Sometimes in the Qashqai the forward collision alert can be overly sensitive especially in rainy weather or struggle/turn off in very rainy weather but so far I've not had that result in a false-positive which has resulted in the car doing something itself unexpected.
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The lane departure stuff is seemingly a lot less aggressive on my Tesla, it doesn’t seem to go off if you are making positive steering inputs. So in the example a few posts back where poster was steering around a cyclist without indicating, it will not activate. However it will kick off if you allow the car to drift out of lane and you are not applying any torque to the steering wheel.
Edit: it also doesn’t activate on backroads where you may cross the white line on purpose or on those roads roads which the lines to the side and nothing down the middle - as long as you are steering it.
Edit: it also doesn’t activate on backroads where you may cross the white line on purpose or on those roads roads which the lines to the side and nothing down the middle - as long as you are steering it.
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To be honest I've not tried it on any post 2020 vehicle, I always disable it straight away now, after past experiences with it on older vehicles where it was definitely more aggressive than that, but still something I think I would keep off.
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Not sure on some of the points, but others are valid, see below.
1. Headlight depends on the spec, they are laser on the PP with full adaptive mode,
2. Again spec difference, they seats are fully electric on anything but the entry spec.
3.I though the infotainment on the ID.7 was more responsive, but I prefer the maps etc on the Merc.
4. Can't comment personal thing.
5. Both OK, but I know what you mean about the on streeling controls they are annoying AF for such a premium car, reminds me of when the ID.3 first came out.
I'd like to get a fully weekend in the CLA to compare, again a lot of Marc/BMW/Audi etc come to what you spec out of the factory. We'd have likely ended up with an ID.7 if it wasn't missing the pano roof for the in stock cars, oh and the colours.
I was doing the comparison on base spec, as the price difference is 10k+ on a new car
It isn't really about it being strong exactly, though I wonder if some of the older systems were a bit glitchy - Googling it for a VW a colleague and myself had similar experiences with there is a note that "some users report it acting aggressively in certain circumstances" but still not a feature I'd be inclined to use personally even if newer incarnations are improved.
EDIT: Though on the 2017 Qashqai I have it is definitely quite a noticeable impact on steering and can definitely work against you momentarily in some circumstances increasing risk.
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It's not that it's "strong" as such, but a sudden unexpected pull of the wheel to the side with no warning when you're driving down a narrow NSL road is certainly unnerving and more than a little distracting! The Niro has tried to put me into a hedge a couple of times, and often seems to get very confused when a single lane splits into 2.
Definitely seems certain kinds of English country roads, especially the ones I do a lot, the system has never been tested on :s at least older incarnations - as above my familiarity with it on cars newer than 2020 is largely non-existent as I just turn it off now and/or don't enable it depending on vehicle.