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b0rn2sk8 said:
There is a setting on that where it will only circulate the fans, no AC.

It’s meant to stop your killing your kids and pets if you accidentally leave them in the car rather than to act as a method to keep the car cool for when you get in.
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damn.... so that is why my cunning plan to get rid of an annoying child failed then? I guess its back to Deathproof style driving, :D





(sorry if that is too much for any sensitive types... to be clear i was not serious)
 
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mjt said:
Among other reasons, this is why I stay away from Chinese cars. But TBH it's not only the automotive sector, so I'm not getting all high and mighty. I know the tin my iPhone was likely mined by children..


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First I was thinking of getting a Tesla Model S, then the whole Swasticar thing happend.

The I was considering getting a BYD Seal, now Jay Emm's video landed and I'm now a child slaving, suing, communist.

Any other makes I should consider? :D
 
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Mysterae_ said:
First I was thinking of getting a Tesla Model S, then the whole Swasticar thing happend.

The I was considering getting a BYD Seal, now Jay Emm's video landed and I'm now a child slaving, suing, communist.

Any other makes I should consider? :D
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Not sure, but you should definitely be doing it in a Hugo Boss suit…
 
At least geely have the seal of approval from mercedes/smart & polestar/volvo , so certain ethics to maintain like not paying for the assured approval of reviewers.
smart brabus would give a tesla model s a run for it's money
 
does it make a difference tho? I would be interested to know if the staff at Tesla in China or any of the other Chinese built western cars are treated any differently..

Unfortunately i dont doubt most of what he said was true........ my only issue with it really was it was highlighted as an EV issue but its not, its a Chinese manufacture issue. you cant bang on about BYD EVs whilst buying your chinese sweatshop clothes and using you chinese video camera and mobile phone.... or what about Chinese non - EVs?.

i couldnt help but think back to an image of a MAGA hat i saw...... which was made in China!. (not sure if genuine or an AI fake, its almost impossible to tell these days)

(I have no idea of the answer to this) But i wonder how many of the parts of my Jaguar, or my parents BMW (an ICE car ) come from china? my guess is not a none zero amount.
 
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Shocker with a poundland Jeremy Clarkson making a video to get clicks..

"I wasn't making this for click bait, but here's one simple tip to make you a.. no, err, sorry, here's a story I didn't want to tell, but I'm going to anyway"..

I used to try to watch him, then he started reviewing cars I've driven and found he wasn't genuine but just regurgitating internet opinion and making a narrative around it..

Like Clarkson, if you just do the opposite of what he says, you'll probably end up making far better decisions..
 
3x 4 suggests a 3 core 4mm cable so that would be a no go for a 32A charger. You could do a 16A charger though.

From your previous picture the conductor looks thicker than the one going into the B16 which will be a 2.5mm but doesn’t look to be that much bigger which it would if it was 6mm

What did the electrician say?
 
Thinking about a used tesla model Y around 25k Mark, any thoughts?

Does anyone know if around this age they have indicators (sounds dumb but think they took them out the model 3)

Got a test drive on Sunday evening - anything I should test (just on tesla fleet, not the car Im buying)

Example below, I think I'd only go for a blue or red car having had a dark colour car and it being a pain to keep clean.

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Buffman said:
Thinking about a used tesla model Y around 25k Mark, any thoughts?

Does anyone know if around this age they have indicators (sounds dumb but think they took them out the model 3)

Got a test drive on Sunday evening - anything I should test (just on tesla fleet, not the car Im buying)

Example below, I think I'd only go for a blue or red car having had a dark colour car and it being a pain to keep clean.

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They have indicators.

Check for suspension wear, it wears very quickly (and very firm).

I doubt the cabin air filter will have been changed so suggest asking them to do it if they can’t prove it’s been done. It’s cheap and easily DIY if they won’t.

If they claim it has FSD, check it actually has it. Dealers like to claim is has FSD because the car will report having an FSD computer which is all good but it doesn’t have the £6000 software enabled which is a separate line on the in car spec sheet.

It should come with a type 2 and a granny charger at this age, if it doesn’t either the previous owner or they have taken it. Get a discount if it’s not there. The official granny charger is £200 from Tesla. The type 2 lead is 3phase 32A and pretty good quality and about 7.5 meters long so not cheap either.

It should also have a red first aid kit with warning triangle - people don’t tend to nick these.

If the car says it has a tow bar, make sure the detachable tow bar kit is included - I’ve seen people also try to sell these via owners groups.

Otherwise just cosmetics.
 
jpaul said:
maybe diagro knows better but 4mm2 cable would do 30m (what do you think the distance is) with a 6KW charge rate and < 5% IR drop https://armouredcable.net
that might be good enough for you
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Except you’ll not find a charger that allows this as an acceptable configuration.

For an install to be compliant, a charger much be installed per the manufacturers instructions AND electrical regulations.

All good 32A chargers require a 40A double pole RCD & MCB / RCBO on their installation instructions and therefore you can’t install a good 32A charger on a supply with a smaller cable than 6mm.

If you can find a UK compliant 16A charger, you could install that.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Except you’ll not find a charger that allows this as an acceptable configuration.

For an install to be compliant, a charger much be installed per the manufacturers instructions AND electrical regulations.

All good 32A chargers require a 40A double pole RCD & MCB / RCBO on their installation instructions and therefore you can’t install a good 32A charger on a supply with a smaller cable than 6mm.

If you can find a UK compliant 16A charger, you could install that.
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Thank you for your clarifications @b0rn2sk8 I'm not trying to circumnavigate any regulations, as they are there for a reason, just gathering information before the electrician arrives to make their assessment. Which is on the 3rd July...
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
Except you’ll not find a charger that allows this as an acceptable configuration.

For an install to be compliant, a charger much be installed per the manufacturers instructions AND electrical regulations.

All good 32A chargers require a 40A double pole RCD & MCB / RCBO on their installation instructions and therefore you can’t install a good 32A charger on a supply with a smaller cable than 6mm.

If you can find a UK compliant 16A charger, you could install that.
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Look I'm sure Jpaul has done plenty of googling on the subject and is thoroughly knowledgeable
 
cuke2u said:
Thank you for your clarifications @b0rn2sk8 I'm not trying to circumnavigate any regulations, as they are there for a reason, just gathering information before the electrician arrives to make their assessment. Which is on the 3rd July...
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Sorry - that comment was not aimed at you, it was aimed firmly at @jpaul’s terrible advice.

I think you’ll come unstuck in that the cable isn’t big enough. Do consider sticking with a granny charger if you don’t do consecutive long journeys and the cost to install a proper charger is cost prohibitive.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Sorry - that comment was not aimed at you, it was aimed firmly at @jpaul’s terrible advice.

I think you’ll come unstuck in that the cable isn’t big enough. Do consider sticking with a granny charger if you don’t do consecutive long journeys and the cost to install a proper charger is cost prohibitive.
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No problem, I know it wasn't aimed at myself, yeah don't do many long journeys at all, so might stick with a granny charger, depending upon what the alternatives are given by the electrician. May just get him to install a double external mains socket on the external garage wall to reduce the trailing leads.
Thanks again..
 
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If you need something faster but within the same power envolope, a 16A commando socket* is also an option, its over 50% faster than a 3 pin plug.

Someone will come along and point out that if its being installed for the purpose of EV charging it needs to meet EV charging regs so I might aswell cover what that is. It needs a double pole type A RCD or RCBO protecting it's circuit which is entirely sensible for any circuit. A ~£100 PEN fault protection device is also needed IF you rely on the earth supplied by the grid (if you have your own earth rod or install one, you don't need this). So including a 16A capable portable charger, all the hardware can be had for £300.

*the commando needs to be interlocking meaning it can't be switched on without a cable being plugged in to be compliant in a domestic setting - these are cheap though and entirely sensible as a kid could lift the flap and stick their finger in it.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
If you need something faster but within the same power envolope, a 16A commando socket* is also an option, its over 50% faster than a 3 pin plug.

Someone will come along and point out that if its being installed for the purpose of EV charging it needs to meet EV charging regs so I might aswell cover what that is. It needs a double pole type A RCD or RCBO protecting it's circuit which is entirely sensible for any circuit. A ~£100 PEN fault protection device is also needed IF you rely on the earth supplied by the grid (if you have your own earth rod or install one, you don't need this). So including a 16A capable portable charger, all the hardware can be had for £300.

*the commando needs to be interlocking meaning it can't be switched on without a cable being plugged in to be compliant in a domestic setting - these are cheap though and entirely sensible as a kid could lift the flap and stick their finger in it.
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Thanks, yes I was looking at those here https://voldt.co.uk/products/type-2...ase-adjustable-8a-16a-3-7kw-ev-charging-cable https://thirdrockenergy.co.uk/produ...-10-metre-with-3-pin-adapter-and-wall-barcket
Could be an option..
 
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cuke2u said:
No problem, I know it wasn't aimed at myself, yeah don't do many long journeys at all, so might stick with a granny charger, depending upon what the alternatives are given by the electrician. May just get him to install a double external mains socket on the external garage wall to reduce the trailing leads.
Thanks again..
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Honestly, if you don't need to stress about adding range then an Octopus IGO compatible car (as yours will be) plus a 3 pin charger seems like the perfect combo if you spend a chunk of time at home anyway.

Request your charge level, shrug at the fact it'll take almost all day to get there then be happy that your electricity rate is lower during the iGO schedule.

Hopefully someone can confirm the above as my plan to do just that never came to fruition because of my poor company car budget.
 
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