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Kenai said:
OK, so an appropriate hybrid doesn't exist from a brand you like, rather than doesn't exist at all :p
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Well that is one way of putting it, but I don't know the offerings from all the different brands. But brand and looks are important aspects for me especially when it comes to convenience - one of the reasons I tend to use the Nissan dealer near me a lot is because living in a relatively rural area it is convenient for the level of service they provide despite not being the most cost effective.

EDIT: I also really hate the approach to controls in some vehicles - another reason I dislike VW these days is how much they've buried things in menus and/or touch functionality which in my opinion need to be easy to find physical buttons. My brother's previous Golf was a sea of screens and lights and I just don't see the attraction - I like a focussed driving experience.
 
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Simon said:
It’s local as customers want city to city transport too. Not just city use.
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The latest data I saw was that what China call new energy vehicles (effectively EV and PHEV these days) few about 20% year on year to last month. They now make up over 50% of sales and BEVs specifically make up about 70% of new energy vehicles.

PHEVs are seeing good growth in China but that seems to be at the expense of ICE rather than people switching away from EVs.
 
Rroff said:
Well that is one way of putting it, but I don't know the offerings from all the different brands. But brand and looks are important aspects for me especially when it comes to convenience - one of the reasons I tend to use the Nissan dealer near me a lot is because living in a relatively rural area it is convenient for the level of service they provide despite not being the most cost effective.

EDIT: I also really hate the approach to controls in some vehicles - another reason I dislike VW these days is how much they've buried things in menus and/or touch functionality which in my opinion need to be easy to find physical buttons. My brother's previous Golf was a sea of screens and lights and I just don't see the attraction - I like a focussed driving experience.
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That's fine but is a bit different to 'i don't think an appropriate hybrid exists' - it sounds like they probably do exist but they're not being built by your preferred manufacturers.

As far as PHEVs go, I don't think you can really take them much further than what VW are doing at the moment with around 70 miles of EV range before you're well into "Why not just have a BEV?" territory.

Can't say I find the controls in the Cupra troublesome at all and I doubt they're all that much different in equivalent VW cars, anything important is easily accessed but yes, if you're looking for a 2010 era driver experience, then you're not going to see that coupled up with 2020s hybrid tech in all that many places.
 
Kenai said:
That's fine but is a bit different to 'i don't think an appropriate hybrid exists' - it sounds like they probably do exist but they're not being built by your preferred manufacturers.

As far as PHEVs go, I don't think you can really take them much further than what VW are doing at the moment with around 70 miles of EV range before you're well into "Why not just have a BEV?" territory.

Can't say I find the controls in the Cupra troublesome at all and I doubt they're all that much different in equivalent VW cars, anything important is easily accessed but yes, if you're looking for a 2010 era driver experience, then you're not going to see that coupled up with 2020s hybrid tech in all that many places.
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I did say "appropriate hybrid exists for my use", I've looked at a fair few but I've not looked broadly across the range for example outside of vans Mercedes I don't tend to pay much attention to.

I'm definitely more leaning towards 2010 era driving experience which isn't in vogue at the moment with many brands especially anything modern EV or adjacent.
 
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Rroff said:
I'm definitely more leaning towards 2010 era driving experience which isn't in vogue at the moment with many brands especially anything modern EV or adjacent.
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No it's not but this isn't something that really bothers me THAT much because i'm not one to be fiddling with the climate control settings and radio every 5 minutes anyway, so them not being present as 20 buttons and dials and knobs is no great loss for me :p
 
Kenai said:
No it's not but this isn't something that really bothers me THAT much because i'm not one to be fiddling with the climate control settings and radio every 5 minutes anyway, so them not being present as 20 buttons and dials and knobs is no great loss for me :p
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I mostly leave climate control on auto - but I do a fair bit of driving at night and especially at this time of year heading home as the temperature is dropping out and/or in inclement conditions so some adjustment is sometimes needed i.e. I don't want to be driving all the way home with the defogging on max, etc. etc.

Personally unless I'm doing long motorway runs I don't listen to music/radio in the car - unless I have a passenger(s) and then I leave the music to them.
 
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Between our two cars we've got both extremes. The Kona in my opinion has far too many buttons figuring out which one you want while driving is a nightmare and the id3 has zero traditional buttons, the ones it has got are touch sensitive jobs.

I still prefer the id3 though as I'd rather at least know what the button/touch zone/infotainment screen is going to do from a quick glance than be lost staring at buttons, but I do wish it at least had the more old school climate dials/buttons.
 
Rroff said:
I mostly leave climate control on auto - but I do a fair bit of driving at night and especially at this time of year heading home as the temperature is dropping out and/or in inclement conditions so some adjustment is sometimes needed i.e. I don't want to be driving all the way home with the defogging on max, etc. etc.
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The joys of modern cars, I don't really find any need to faff with the controls regardless of the conditions, it sorts itself out perfectly well (and the windscreen demister is on/off on a simple button if you were to be particularly fussy with it). It'll even turn the heated steering wheel on based on outside temperature if you want it to :p
 
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Kenai said:
The joys of modern cars, I don't really find any need to faff with the controls regardless of the conditions, it sorts itself out perfectly well (and the windscreen demister is on/off on a simple button if you were to be particularly fussy with it). It'll even turn the heated steering wheel on based on outside temperature if you want it to :p
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I've found with quite a few cars both modern and older that the defogger/demister max button often doesn't resume properly to previous settings when turned off again?!?! in several different vehicles I've had to manually reselect auto afterwards, sometimes always sometimes intermittently. (From Googling it apparently it is one of those design "safety" things where it will default to certain settings).

EDIT: But then some newer vehicles you have to touch climate then "clear view" or similar in the touchscreen to enable/disable it and if it doesn't resume properly you are again messing in the touchscreen to sort it.
 
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Rroff said:
I've found with quite a few cars both modern and older that the defogger/demister max button often doesn't resume properly to previous settings when turned off again?!?! in several different vehicles I've had to manually reselect auto afterwards, sometimes always sometimes intermittently. (From Googling it apparently it is one of those design "safety" things where it will default to certain settings).
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Well you'll be pleased to know, there's no such faffing in my VW Group based vehicle, it just turns the demister on and off and everything else is otherwise unaffected :p
 
Kenai said:
Well you'll be pleased to know, there's no such faffing in my VW Group based vehicle, it just turns the demister on and off and everything else is otherwise unaffected :p
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From Googling the Cupras seem to have touch buttons in with the headlight controls for it - unless I've missed it a lot of other recent VW group cars don't have that.

EDIT: Looks like some levels of other models do have similar - it is possible I've missed it on some due to looking like an indication symbol rather than physically resembling a button.
 
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Rroff said:
From Googling the Cupras seem to have touch buttons in with the headlight controls for it - unless I've missed it a lot of other recent VW group cars don't have that.

EDIT: Looks like some levels of other models do have similar - it is possible I've missed it on some due to looking like an indication symbol rather than physically resembling a button.
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Here we are. Googling to argue with someone talking with real experience… again.

I agree that there’s absolutely no faff with cupra temp controls. For a start the temperature buttons aren’t only on the screen. There are physical sliders

The headlights have a seperate physical panel for them. The indication of lights is on the binnacle. Note demist is also there in addition to main screen

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Simon said:
Here we are. Googling to argue with someone talking with real experience… again

I agree that there’s absolutely no faff with cupra temp controls. For a start the temperature buttons aren’t only on the screen. There are physical sliders

The headlights have a seperate physical panel for them
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Googling to argue? no I Googled to see what they were talking about and compare it to/correct my own understanding - replying with acknowledging in their car it does have specific buttons for it without having to go into the touchscreen - that doesn't change the varied situation in other cars.

While it is great the Cupra has some aspects like that it doesn't change the direction far too many car designs seem to be going lately, which complicates things for me when choosing a suitable vehicle.
 
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Your style is not at all that. It’s basically suggesting he’s wrong as your Google says different. Why even post that you googled it and it said different. There is no acknowledgement just you saying ‘possibly you got it wrong’

I’m so lost with what you are trying to achieve other than say incorrect things?

We have gone from no hybrids work at all for your use, to you only buy Nissans, to now hybrids won’t work as you don’t like the screens and only want buttons, that evidently you haven’t actually experienced and have only googled.

Can you see why you get called out now?

Proper hard work this is. But I’ll keep calling people out who are making stuff up. Sorry. Helps threads stay useful to those who are serious about buying an EV
 
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Simon said:
Your style is not at all that. It’s basically suggesting he’s wrong as your Google says different. Why even post that you googled it and it said different

I’m so lost with what you are trying to achieve other than say incorrect things?

We have gone from no hybrids work at all for your use, to you only buy Nissans, to now hybrids won’t work as you don’t like the screens and only want buttons, that evidently you haven’t actually experienced and have only googled.

Can you see why you get called out now?

Proper hard work this is. But I’ll keep calling people out who are making stuff up. Sorry
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You do seem lost - Kenai said I'd be pleased to know his VW group vehicle (Cupra) does have separate buttons for the functionality, I Googled it to see what the setup was and acknowledged it, how on earth you got from that to me differing with him I have absolutely no idea.

I never said no hybrids work for me - I said I'm not aware of ones appropriate for my usage and expanded on that as the conversation went on with one of the things I find important when selecting a vehicle is a design approach more towards the 2010s era of having distinct physical buttons for certain features and being relatively driver focussed in controls implementation which as an aside the Cupra tends to lean more towards. I don't only buy Nissans but mentioned that in my circumstances it is more convenient for me to buy them.

If you can't keep up then online forums probably aren't for you.
 
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Simon said:
Can someone help me here for the love of god. This guy is a politician
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Help you in what way?

Kenai: "Well you'll be pleased to know, there's no such faffing in my VW Group based vehicle, it just turns the demister on and off and everything else is otherwise unaffected :p"
Me: "From Googling the Cupras seem to have touch buttons in with the headlight controls for it" as in yes it does.

No suggesting he is wrong.

I'm not sure why you are struggling so much it is pretty plain - OK Kenai doesn't mention he drives a Cupra in that post but did mention it in a recent post.
 
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