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interior space - they'll be the stark comparison between rear footwell space in that CLA petrol versus ev - what you could have won
e: underfloor heating is a nice option though


VincentHanna said:
New GLC EQ looks decent IMO
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could you could stick with an updated genesis better looks than bmw or merc
 
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jpaul said:
could you stick with an updated genesis better looks than bmw or merc
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Hopefully they will deliver the 2025 model to me today when they service my 2 year old GV70 and I can compare.

Range and driving fun is the biggest issue. It's really comfortable, but quite boring and has too much power for the chassis.
 
OspreyO said:
If it's not about the electric. Where do think the economy comes from?
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I said pure electric miles. So, for example, if I was doing a journey of 100 miles in my PHEV with a 30 mile EV range I'd aim to set off with a full battery anyway and have the car in hybrid mode. So instead of blasting through the whole battery in the first 30% of the journey I'd let the car deploy it when it is most effective to do so and fall back to the ICE when that is the most effective.

The trick then is to remember to swap back to EV only when the range matches your remaining distance... which is what I forgot to do yesterday!

Even when the EV range is zero the high voltage system itself isn't dead weight, it is still harvesting wasted energy.

Tinders said:
For me my old 330e was a gateway drug into full EV, obviously the lower BIK helped. Range was a paltry 450milea combined so it wasn’t a huge deal more than the 320 I get in the ID.
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For me the circa 400 mile range from a full tank and a full battery is the biggest downside from my ICE car. When I had my old Passat with a nearly 800 mile range I could almost always decide to fill up at my local before a work trip and know I didn't need to think about refuelling until I was back home.

Too often in the Astra I'll have finished work at 4pm with a three or four hour drive home and instead of getting straight home I'll need to refuel at some point. PITA!
 
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lordrobs said:
I said pure electric miles. So, for example, if I was doing a journey of 100 miles in my PHEV with a 30 mile EV range I'd aim to set off with a full battery anyway and have the car in hybrid mode. So instead of blasting through the whole battery in the first 30% of the journey I'd let the car deploy it when it is most effective to do so and fall back to the ICE when that is the most effective.

The trick then is to remember to swap back to EV only when the range matches your remaining distance... which is what I forgot to do yesterday!

Even when the EV range is zero the high voltage system itself isn't dead weight, it is still harvesting wasted energy.
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I note you didn't answer the question asked. Let me ask another way. What do you mean by effective? Do you mean economy?
 
OspreyO said:
I note you didn't answer the question asked. Let me ask another way. What do you mean by effective? Do you mean economy?
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I thought it was rhetorical because obviously it comes from the electricity I put into the battery from plugging it in :confused:

Overall I'm talking about whatever gets me from point A to point B using the least petrol over the full trip. So when I talk about using the ICE when most effective I'm referring to using that when it is at it's most efficient relative to the efficiency of the electric motor.
 
bigmike20vt said:
wow that is something which needs to be made very very clear because paying a sub for my home wall box is something i would not even consider looking into to see if it were a thing!. £2 a month... may not sound like a lot but as a point of principle, esp when there are other options around would make that a hard pass!.... esp if it does not support wifi or wired connection to your home network as an alternative.
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charger subscription, beg the question on how much ev manufacturers may demand to keep SIM subscription for the car itself outside warranty period, as bad as ICE;
if you can't use an esim.
 
jpaul said:
charger subscription, beg the question on how much ev manufacturers may demand to keep SIM subscription for the car itself outside warranty period, as bad as ICE;
if you can't use an esim.
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not really.... that is a car related issue and not an EV one.... why would it be any better or any worse for an EV than for an ICE car?

FWIW however granted, it is something i will consider for my next car, our BMWi3 has free remote access for the life of the car (until 4g gets turned off anyway) however our ipace is £30 a year..... perhaps not a decision maker either way but something i would look into for future cars..
Other features cost much more.... but so long as the car supports android auto or apple carplay to be honest it isnt something i would pay for anyway (it is an issue in teslas however as i believe its a £10 a month sub and they DONT support android auto/car play).

but bringing this up in an EV thread is not really helpful however as it would be inaccurate to conflate subs which many modern cars have with a feature of EVs imo.
 
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jpaul said:
charger subscription, beg the question on how much ev manufacturers may demand to keep SIM subscription for the car itself outside warranty period, as bad as ICE;
if you can't use an esim.
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The can’t ‘demand’ it, if you don’t pay, it turns off. Nothing new.

Ironically my car allows me to connect it to wifi and it will use that, including when driving.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
The can’t ‘demand’ it, if you don’t pay, it turns off. Nothing new.

Ironically my car allows me to connect it to wifi and it will use that, including when driving.
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does that mean you can turn on wifi hot spot in your tesla and get the live infotainment services then? if so that is better than what my mate was telling me with his model Y, but it is possible he is mistaken as his work just cover all subs and what not as part of his company car policy.
 
The 3rd party ones that don’t go through Tesla’s servers (e.g. YouTube music), yes.

Some of them go though Tesla’s servers like live camera viewing via the Tesla app, they don’t work without a sub.

Edit: if they implement car play per the rumours, that takes out the hassle of setting up your hot spot.
 
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lordrobs said:
I thought it was rhetorical because obviously it comes from the electricity I put into the battery from plugging it in :confused:

Overall I'm talking about whatever gets me from point A to point B using the least petrol over the full trip. So when I talk about using the ICE when most effective I'm referring to using that when it is at it's most efficient relative to the efficiency of the electric motor.
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What gets you to A to B using the least fuel is a BEV. I would suggest that's economy and cost not efficiency. What's saving you money in the phev is the battery. Thus a bigger battery saves you more.

Or looking at it another way, I'd suggest it's how much of your driving you can do on home charging that saves you money. The way to maximize that is have as big a battery as possible. Phevs have small batteries.

If you have no home charging or you can't do your journey on home charging. Then petrol will be cheaper than public charging. It's this use petrol as little as possible which is behind the range extender in the i3 Rex. But they realised it's made more sense just to have a larger battery. So they stopped making the Rex.

Of course there's more to than that. Sometimes you just want to max out your long distance high speed non stop driving without the compromise of a diesel for short journeys.
 
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Well charging not at home isn’t cheaper than fuel but ultimately yes. Especially with BIK but depends on circumstances

Quite nice having 79kWh for 200mile trips. The EV go slow requirement disappears
 
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i will be interested to see what happens with this pay per mile driving...... there are rumours that PHEVs will have to pay something but it will be less than full EVs.

on one hand i am thinking "finally" my stupid pointless range extender on my wifes car which only gets used to keep the engine from seizing up but has been costing me £190 a year in tax and meant we had to pay luxury car tax on it may finally come into its own.

OTOH it seems bonkers to me that just because our what is essentially a full EV may be cheaper running costs because we choose to have an engine in it and use - albeit only 10l a year - petrol!.
 
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OspreyO said:
What gets you to A to B using the least fuel is a BEV.
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Well... Yes, but we were taking about PHEVs :confused:

You don't need to sell me on the virtues of a BEV. I floated the idea but was told no, I had to have a PHEV in a "it's for your own good" way.

With more options and better mileage rates available now I'll push much harder next time. The boss has bought an EV (for his wife) since so hopefully sees that it isn't beyond the realms of possibility to scale the country in one.
 
OspreyO said:
Is the efficiency speak of a phev that gets me. They they get a 1000 miles miles from a tankful. They don't.
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I think people just phase it wrong, it should be "it was 1000 miles between fill ups" and then add I used 400kWh of electricity as well in order to get that 1,000 mile gap.
 
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