A phev that you don't plug in but only regen. What's the point. If you're that remote then emissions isn't an issue.
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A phev that you don't plug in but only regen. What's the point. If you're that remote then emissions isn't an issue.
As I said talking in terms of a push to phase out pure ICEs.
A phev used like is effectively an ICE. A heavier ICE.
That isn't relevant to my point though - that there are still a not insignificant amount of people living in situations like recent articles on Northumberland such as the one linked just above where a push to phase out pure ICEs would be problematic without hybrids/PHEV being an option.
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Sounds good to me, a big battery with V2G and they can take electricity home and not light the house with paraffin lamps…
I'm not sure how relevant they are at all, reading the article lots of them chose to live like that, know what they are getting themselves in for and prior to solar power being easily and cheaply available used a generator just to have lighting or a fridge. Them having a BEV might actually be a solution with V2H, they can have a more central connected rapid charge somewhere, then run their entire house off the car. One again you look for the issues, not the solution BEV's provide.
That may be a solution if decent charging provision becomes available (something one of the articles touches on is the lack of infrastructure on their doorstep not just at home) - currently there isn't and in this country we seem to want to do it backwards and not put the infrastructure in place up front so as to encourage adoption and build demand. I'm just looking at it realistically - if I was just trying to find issues I'd be advocating keeping ICEs not looking at the role things like PHEVs can play in that situation.
Yes there is an element of many choosing to live like that but not all and as mentioned in I think the BBC article some were looking at getting a grid hook up so as to be able to buy an EV and being quoted £LOL.
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No one in that article mentioned wanting an EV.
It doesn't need to be local though does it, they have to leave to get shopping etc. With a modern car having upwards of 70-80kWh battery, they could happily run a house for a week for the essentials, and still have enough charge to get back and recharge it. A PHEV is literally the worst solution as it fixes nothing.
I've read several articles on it recently including the BBC one - I don't recall specifically which said what.
It does need to be reasonably local when you live in a relatively remote rural area and/or you need a good degree of confidence that chargers will be available - you also have to include the getting to and from charging and other uses for the vehicle in there on top of its potential usage for V2H.
My comments were in the context of a (somewhat theoretical) push for phasing out pure ICEs - at least with a hybrid they aren't dependant on what is currently, and for the foreseeable future, a difficult situation for BEVs and would be able to somewhat take advantage of electricity in the resulting likely increase of chargers being installed at places of work, etc.
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Currently their ICE cars are an inconvenience as they have to drive somewhere to fill them up, and they can't ever power the house from them. Again Hybrid is the worst of both worlds. A car acting a a giant house battery, and being a mode of transport is a great solution, and lots of them have solar so can just keep pushing electrons in the the battery, an if it gets to low drive to their local supermarket, pub, community hall, etc.
It seems that you think that people who already live in a stupidly inconvenient manner are going to care about making their lives much better, by perhaps having to charge for 30mins/1 hour a week to some where that isn't outside their door. They aren't hermits either, they do leave the house.
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Again I'm talking in a situation, somewhat theoretical with the current tide, of pushing towards the phasing out of ICEs, a hybrid bridges the gap for these people - sure that might change if there was a reliable centralised charging system in place but that isn't something which is in place or the direction things seem to be taking - if anything we seem to be going backwards on that and it is especially relevant to people living in these kind of rural situations.
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Journey, it’s a trap. I’ve chosen to take post of ignore just to see context 
Why would they change from ICE to get something worse, they would just go to BEV. A hybrid doesn't fill any gap, its just a waste of time and money. People living in these situations need a solution, a hybrid is not that.
My point was it is a way to accommodate these people if there was a push to phase out pure ICEs where a BEV is pretty much a no go for them and there doesn't seem to be much interest in helping that situation i.e. getting them connected to the grid where they want to. And for some reason we seem so resistant to investing in a decent centralised charging infrastructure.
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If there was a push for them to get rid of their ICE (not happening) BEV is a solution for them that will actively make their lives better, are you just ignoring the benefits I already pointed out? Tell me why a BEV is a no go, they literally don't have a fuel pump or electric at their houses - they are the same inconvenience except one has actual benefits for the house, and can store their solar they generate.
I give up if you don't get it you are just being obtuse.
Because these are often quite remote rural properties where just going to a public charger is a considerable distance itself - have a look on the map (Northumberland isn't the only part of the country like it though it is one of the worst). Now granted this might change but it doesn't seem to be the way we like to approach things in this country, likewise with the frustrations those who do want to get connected to the grid face.
It is more some people can't seem to imagine circumstances and the real issues people face outside of their own daily life. I can tell from some posters they clearly not spent much time living in a properly rural location.
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Sorry but your still going to need to substantiate where that number comes from.
I am someone that’s lived in a rural area my whole life, granted not in Northumberland but still very rural and I’m just not buying 15% of the rural population doesn’t have mains electricity in the UK for a second.
If it’s 1 small postcode area in up a random hill in Northumberland 10’s of miles from the nearest village where only 20 people and 3 of them don’t have electricity, fine, I could believe that.
But let’s not pretend that’s anything other than a cherry picked straw man edge case and completely unrepresentative of rural life.
You are arguing for them to get a hybrid, you might as well tell them to buy a horse.
You get terrible emissions from horses though
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Atleast a horse could trot on.