no car can power a house in the uk yet. Why do you talk like it’s common?
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Hybrid is better than ICE. Why are you so ‘only BEV’. To be honest when you said any EV is better than VAGs offering it kind of lost credibility
While it isn't the normal case for rural life, it isn't entirely an edge case either - there are estimated 2000 households and up to 150,000 people living entirely without an electrical connection and around 1.5 million people living in dwellings without a proper grid connection in rural areas. My comments were in terms of bridging the gap for those people if there was a concerted push for EVs with the seeming reluctance in this country to get the infrastructure in up front to accommodate people adopting.
But again, where are you getting these numbers from? Don’t forget, we are specifically talking about about houses without a mains electricity connection.
I can substantiate the 2,000 dwellings without mains electricity number but nothing else.
I can see references to 15% of the 11m (e.g. the 1.5m you state) rural population living off grid but that’s in relation to heating, so effectively the gas grid, not electricity. I buy that number but it’s completely irrelevant given the same report suggests a significant number of those people heat their homes with electricity.
There is not 150k people living in 2,000 dwellings which do not have a mains electricity connection.
So that basically leaves people who chose to live in caravans, camper vans, motorhomes and on things like narrowboats. I still can’t put a number on that though.
Almost all of these people live extremely close to civilisation (e.g. not up a hill in rural Northumberland), many of them probably don’t own cars anyway but those that do will not be in a dissimilar scenario to someone who doesn’t have a driveway to charge at home.
Ironically, a fully electrified motorhome would probably be a significant upgrade.
I can substantiate the 2,000 dwellings without mains electricity number but nothing else.
I can see references to 15% of the 11m (e.g. the 1.5m you state) rural population living off grid but that’s in relation to heating, so effectively the gas grid, not electricity. I buy that number but it’s completely irrelevant given the same report suggests a significant number of those people heat their homes with electricity.
There is not 150k people living in 2,000 dwellings which do not have a mains electricity connection.
So that basically leaves people who chose to live in caravans, camper vans, motorhomes and on things like narrowboats. I still can’t put a number on that though.
Almost all of these people live extremely close to civilisation (e.g. not up a hill in rural Northumberland), many of them probably don’t own cars anyway but those that do will not be in a dissimilar scenario to someone who doesn’t have a driveway to charge at home.
Ironically, a fully electrified motorhome would probably be a significant upgrade.
Not sure where the original number comes from - I saw it in one of the recent articles I referred to based on the 2025 Statistical Digest of Rural England but I can only find numbers supporting 2-3% being purely off the electrical grid in the original data and 1.5 million (which is roughly 15%) living in dwellings without a proper connection i.e. limited connection piggybacked off neighbours, etc. (EDIT: Seeing your post above I assume this does include stuff like people living in caravans, etc.).
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I’m totally lost now, a looped electricity supply is completely normal and is a proper electricity connection.
It doesn’t prevent you from charging an EV and the DNO will un-loop you for ‘free’ (costs are socialised across all bill payers) if it’s needed.
The 1.5m is people living off the gas grid which is fine but it doesn’t impact the charging of an EV. That said, I’d strongly suggest they take advantage of the £7.5k heat pump grant, they’d actually see a payback vs oil and especially LPG.
It doesn’t prevent you from charging an EV and the DNO will un-loop you for ‘free’ (costs are socialised across all bill payers) if it’s needed.
The 1.5m is people living off the gas grid which is fine but it doesn’t impact the charging of an EV. That said, I’d strongly suggest they take advantage of the £7.5k heat pump grant, they’d actually see a payback vs oil and especially LPG.
Are there any?
If I was on a long journey looking for somewhere to stop for lunch and it was a choice between a place with 10 chargers or a place with 1, there would have to be a very compelling reason for me to choose the latter over the former
For me there is a difference between stopping on a long journey for lunch and a charge. And going for a pub lunch. It could be interpreted that you'd choose a motorway stop over a gastro pub simply because it has more chargers not that is a nicer place to eat.
Obviously some people go for lunch at the extreme edge of their range on a regular basis. It's just not a scenario I'd considered. I'm more likely to top up before the destination and be free to go where I like regardless of charger.
Can't see anyone being so remote that they can't plug in a granny charger. Or being electricity challenged and choosing to buy an EV if any kind. Makes no sense to me.
For me even if someone was in London but no access to home charging, I'd be telling them to forget anything with a plug.
For me even if someone was in London but no access to home charging, I'd be telling them to forget anything with a plug.
Ironically it isn't uncommon with rural properties to have large amounts of off road parking in reach of the house.
There are some very touchy people in this thread - my comment originally was about facilitating a move away from [pure] ICEs in circumstances relevant to something which has recently been in the news.
Excuse me if I’m miles off here, but I thought if you’ve a bidirectional charger it was possible with some models?
I had a very brief look into it as I get a few outages a year and it seems my Queef can, albeit the charger is silly money.
There are ways of doing it and/or you can make use of vehicle to load adaptors or high wattage AC outlets, etc. and there is the question of plugging that capability into the load end as most houses don't have that unless you've got a fancy solar system, etc. installed. But most vehicles on the market currently limit the functionality if doing it via an official implementation - i.e. most VW platform vehicles limit V2H to 10,000 kWh or 4000 hours.
Definitely something I'm keeping an eye on as living in a rural area it would be a useful back capability - in fact all the neighbours beyond us were without power until gone midnight today due to something happening to the line.
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Looks like they estimate 8-10 years, or 7-12 years depending on which version of the specs, battery life if using the battery extensively for V2G or minimal impact if using it supplementary with proper management. The information doesn't seem to mention whether the V2G implementation includes a EPS function to allow the battery to power the house in the event of a grid outage, theoretically some kind of EPS functionality would be part of a G99 installation.
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But why does there need to be? Would it not make the journey far more pleasant if you could have a decent meal while you charge, rather than a greasy wilted burger and cold soggy chips (and paying £80 for the privilege)?
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Because if the purpose of my stop is to have something to eat whilst charging, a pub with a single charger might as well have none as far as I'm concerned. There's a significant risk that one those requirements might not be met, whereas a motorway services with multiple chargers is far more likely to meet both requirements, even if one of them is a severe compromise. I can continue with my journey after charging and eating a **** meal. I can't continue with my journey after a great meal and no charge.
Plenty of V2H offerings now, lots of bi-directional chargers becoming available with both AC and DC coupling types. Enphase, Sigenergy, Quasar to name a few. Lots of cars now with it being turned on/enabled or coming as standard
Quite ironically the person who started the debate didn't put their thinking cap on an realise how much a benefit a BEV can be to some peoples living arrangements, where having a giant battery on their property might actually be a blessing not a curse.
meanwhile in gotham city they installed lots of slow pavement chargers like Norway for the citizens who couldn't charge at home;
and released the new polo ev - looks smaller than r5 for rear passengers, and like puma sacrificed some of rear suspension smarts for deep boot.
and released the new polo ev - looks smaller than r5 for rear passengers, and like puma sacrificed some of rear suspension smarts for deep boot.