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Sorry I thought you posted the article.

Regardless the push to Hybrid over BEV has emissions consequences. BEVs are a tiny part of Toyota output.
 
lordrobs said:
I do love when people put Norway up there on an environmental pedestal. Where exactly did/does the money come from for that infrastructure? Literally the definition of not crapping in your own back yard from a purely environmental viewpoint.
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I brought up the subject of Norway as a counter to the argument that EVs don't work in colder climates when their buying public determines otherwise. It might have something to do with warming them up remotely in the morning so they're clear of snow and frost and being all toasty inside :D. However, as has been said already it's probably more down to he fact that electricity is between 2 to 4 times cheaper in Norway than in the UK.
 
Mysterae_ said:
I brought up the subject of Norway as a counter to the argument that EVs don't work in colder climates when their buying public determines otherwise. It might have something to do with warming them up remotely in the morning so they're clear of snow and frost and being all toasty inside :D. However, as has been said already it's probably more down to he fact that electricity is between 2 to 4 times cheaper in Norway than in the UK.
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I think the fact that the Norwegian government actually invested in a proper and comprehensive charging network, rather than relying on oil companies to do it.
 
Norway also kept it's incentives a lot longer than other countries did. But that's partly because other countries are more concerned about the income lost switching to EV and Norway isn't.
 
Scotland could have been
they're not giving away electricity at public chargers, still 3-4x home charging , even though they've got a better public network.
 
chanjy said:
Norway is what the UK could have been if we had better decision making in the 80s :(
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That would be a very off-topic discussion but that is a whole discussion of its own a lot of it going back to the consequences of WW2 for the UK and the short term decision making by Thatcher when faced with the realities of a changing world post-WW2 when we had the opportunity to become world leaders in certain industries, etc.
 
Rroff said:
That would be a very off-topic discussion but that is a whole discussion of its own a lot of it going back to the consequences of WW2 for the UK and the short term decision making by Thatcher when faced with the realities of a changing world post-WW2 when we had the opportunity to become world leaders in certain industries, etc.
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Not quite, the wrong choices were made post war, the countries that were successful, even those that ran state owned industries, did so because they embraced and ran things on a commercial basis. The UK went for politically run nationalisation of key industries, run by politics rather than economics. This worked for a while, but was resulting in a significant falling behind by the late 60s, resulting in all the challenges of the 70s, which in turn drove the change in the 80s, and a highly negative attitude towards state ownership that is strongly present even today among those who are old enough to have experienced the level of service and quality of product from those industries.

The key point here is that when economics and politics conflicts, economics always wins out. We could indeed have had world leading industries, even with state ownership, if we'd ensured politics stayed out of the running of those industries.
 
The CPS rapid network is somewhat overrated for the back end of 2025.

Sure they’ve got a lot of chargers in the back end of nowhere but if you do need one, there will be only 1-2 units, will be very slow ant 50kw and may not actually work.
 
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