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See I'm the opposite. The reason our country is circling the drain is because there's zero accountability with that lot in no10. If they'd be held accountable for their poorly thought out decisions, they might actually put some thought and effort in to their policies.
Anyway, back to saving for a house so I can finally get an EV with a proper charger
Anyway, back to saving for a house so I can finally get an EV with a proper charger
Delivery dates are all in March, at least in the UK.
Thanks!
I've always wondered why they can't just simplify it even more. Have a "wheel & weight" type tax. For cars, £50 per wheel for vehicles under 1000kg, £100 per wheel for vehicles 1001-2000kg, £150 per wheel over 2001kg. And apply that across other category of vehicles as per driving licence categories to differing values. Probably not as simple as my little brain sets out, but at least then everyone pays the same amount depending on the weight/wheels and the proportionate amount of wear and tear they will cause on the roads.
There's accountability mate, every 5 years.See I'm the opposite. The reason our country is circling the drain is because there's zero accountability with that lot in no10. If they'd be held accountable for their poorly thought out decisions, they might actually put some thought and effort in to their policies.
Anyway, back to saving for a house so I can finally get an EV with a proper charger
Just like with the last lot, and if our country is circling the drain it's not just because the people in charge the last 2 years is it
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Yeah, it was literally just over 3 years ago that Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng had that disastrous mini budget that cost us all a fortune.
People have short memories.
Did anyone mention this?
Treasury scrambles to cut electric car charging costs over tax fears
Government officials consider lowering 20pc VAT rate for public chargers to reduce billswww.telegraph.co.uk
While I agree that public charging is too expensive, what's actually the ******* point?
How much money has been wasted doing the studies/"research" into this?
How much money is going to be wasted in the admin of the ppm tax?
How much money is being wasted in the admin of the EV grants?
Why are they over-complicating it so much? Absolute ******* morons the lot of them
2 problems with this:
a) There's no point in any government investing in long term projects, in fact if anything this dissuades them from doing so - people will vote based on short term pain rather than long term gain, so we're stuck in a perpetual loop of sticking plasters over holes rather than fixing any real problems.
b) Being forced to choose between the (negligibly) lesser of 2 evils isn't really "accountability", at this stage we're basically picking between which pile of dog **** to smear in our faces and hope the one we've picked makes us slightly less sick than the alternative.
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It is mad.... nobody ever says 'sod this, let's start from scratch' they just layer more stuff on top of existing stuff hahaWhile I agree that public charging is too expensive, what's actually the ******* point?
How much money has been wasted doing the studies/"research" into this?
How much money is going to be wasted in the admin of the ppm tax?
How much money is being wasted in the admin of the EV grants?
Why are they over-complicating it so much? Absolute ******* morons the lot of them
Let's give people a grant
Let's give people BIK benefits
Let's give people £0 VED for EVs
Let's remove the grant
Let's taper off the BIK benefits
Let's make EVs pay VED
Let's put the grant back in
Let's tax EV mileage
Let's remove VAT on public charging
None of it makes sense
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It is mad.... nobody ever says 'sod this, let's start from scratch' they just layer more stuff on top of existing stuff haha
Let's give people a grant
Let's give people BIK benefits
Let's give people £0 VED for EVs
Let's remove the grant
Let's taper off the BIK benefits
Let's make EVs pay VED
Let's put the grant back in
Let's tax EV mileage
Let's remove VAT on public charging
None of it makes sense
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except the machinations of the government correspond to what other countries are doing too;
cost of public charging is already equivalent to petrol cost, and similar to other eu countries, you just need a fast car charging system(like 800v) and charger availibility to make it viable for those without home charging.
taxing per mile is planned in other countries too, and the logistics of doing that will be shared.
Depreciation for private owner is still disproportionate versus fleet/bik leaser, could have more private grants, but technology advances are still going to devalue older cars.
to wit - Zeekr 7gt looks like it will address european itch for estates at sub £40K, a good challenger for MrRockliffs ailing id7 (until Starmer taxes chinese ev's)
rear seating space looks a bit more viable, as with id7, from long wheelbase
cost of public charging is already equivalent to petrol cost, and similar to other eu countries, you just need a fast car charging system(like 800v) and charger availibility to make it viable for those without home charging.
taxing per mile is planned in other countries too, and the logistics of doing that will be shared.
Depreciation for private owner is still disproportionate versus fleet/bik leaser, could have more private grants, but technology advances are still going to devalue older cars.
to wit - Zeekr 7gt looks like it will address european itch for estates at sub £40K, a good challenger for MrRockliffs ailing id7 (until Starmer taxes chinese ev's)
rear seating space looks a bit more viable, as with id7, from long wheelbase
In your personal experience?
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I’m not sure how anyone could possibly come to that conclusion.
My nearest public charger is 85p/kwh.
My cheapest local charging option is 44p/kwh but it’s in a pay and display carpark which adds 9p/kWh.
53p/kwh is 15p/mile with no indication that’s going to drop anytime soon.
Petrol and diesel is as cheap as I’ve seen it for many years. The price at the pump today is lower than it was in 2012 and the last time it was this cheap was mid-2021.
We’ve had a hell of a lot of inflation since those dates.
I paid 27p/kWh at a rapid charger in France a couple of weeks ago. One of the chargers I used had an off peak price of €0.20/kwh so about 16p.
Edit: Tesla subscription prices so factor in £10/month or owning a tesla to that.
Edit2: just checked the saving is about 10-12c/kwh
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Any government it seems..
Problem is that they've gone "shooting brake" form factor so the load space is obliterated.
Yes, as far as I’m aware. There was a big banner in the app where you control your device. You should have also had at least one email about it.
They will push an app update to add a 6 hour limit toggle before it goes live.
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Ah ok thanks I rarely use the Octopus app as I use the Ohme one to control charging.