EV general discussion

lordrobs said:
Yeah, I assumed that someone on a 5k per year lease would be doing there or there about s mileage wise.

That still works out at 23 mpg though which is some going for a general run about.

I'm as interested in the psychology as much as the numbers. A guy at work tells everyone "I save a fortune on fuel now I'm driving an EV". Turns out they do 4k a year and their previous car was a 1600cc Focus :p

As long as they are happy though, that's all that counts.
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No idea how efficient or inefficient the Cashcow is, but pre-2010 2.0l petrol doing lots of very short trips I can easily imagine sub 30MPG, especially since where we live is very hilly, and they use the car for many more little trips due to mobility issues, heck their drive way is 1/3mile very uneven track so pretty crap to walk on if you are struggling.

I don't know who wouldn't be happy in a brand new car with all the mod cons, and not giving money to Shell/BP/Esso etc. for a similar cost per month, and if they want they can go back to the old one after 2 years. Next thing for them is to get off oil heating and have a heat pump installed, alongside a solar and battery setup.
 
Keeping a car to run up and down the drive for two years sounds like madness to me. The battery will be shot, oil will turn to mayo and the cabin will end up damp and nasty.

If it was worth keeping, sure, lay it up properly. But it's a Qashquai with BMW M5 fuel economy, may as well shift it on for a few quid and add that to the EV maths pot of money saving.

Is the property suitable for a heat pump? I know someone who fitted one to their 70's build house and even with additional insulation they say the costs are massive if you want the place warm. He has solar and a battery too.

Oil is a pain though, I can see why you'd want to move on from it.
 
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The maths aren’t mathing. I don’t get how they going to do 7600 miles a year with no electricity cost tbh. Without the ‘ bonus’ohme it sounds like a 3 pin and 10p a mile electricity. Thats £760 a year roughly. £20 a month. Vs £40 of fuel. Obviously it changes now they are going to bother with a £1000 charger -£500 to get overnight rates

I see it as same cost for a newer car. It’s not saving anything really. What’s the insurance difference ?
 
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You can get overnight rates without a charger.

The difference in cost between IOG and regular Go is tiny in practice.

7600 is only 21 miles per day and that easily achievable on a granny charger in the 5 hour ‘go’ period assuming it doesn’t melt of course.
 
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lordrobs said:
Keeping a car to run up and down the drive for two years sounds like madness to me. The battery will be shot, oil will turn to mayo and the cabin will end up damp and nasty.

If it was worth keeping, sure, lay it up properly. But it's a Qashquai with BMW M5 fuel economy, may as well shift it on for a few quid and add that to the EV maths pot of money saving.
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It'll be in a garage, and no doubt he'll pop it on the trickle charger like he does with his camper van, and I am sure the oil won't turn to mayo, it might not be ideal but you are just being hyperbolic now. He wants to keep it, that is up to him, it costs him nothing to do do that. Also it's not about saving money, he wanted a new car to him (used or new) this was the cheapest way to get one and see if he likes it.

Only thing I am not sure on is Vauxhall as brand these days, hence the lease being the sensible choice vs. buying. They bought the Nissan new so it has had a good life, the money they are 'saving' buying a car outright means they can afford to invest more in the renewables for the property and see where they are in 2 years time.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
You can get overnight rates without a charger.

The difference in cost between IOG and regular Go is tiny in practice.

7600 is only 20 miles per day and that easily achievable on a granny charger in the 5 hour ‘go’ period assuming it doesn’t melt of course.
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We know, I told him this previously, but they are getting £500 off the install cost, which looks to be £449 based on a survey being completed. So its better to have it than not. Plus it'll mean his daughter can charge her PHEV when she visits, which helps her.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
You can get overnight rates without a charger.

The difference in cost between IOG and regular Go is tiny in practice.

7600 is only 21 miles per day and that easily achievable on a granny charger in the 5 hour ‘go’ period assuming it doesn’t melt of course.
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Yeh will prob charge faster than it gets to 60, 13 seconds
 
Journey said:
We know, I told him this previously, but they are getting £500 off the install cost, which looks to be £449 based on a survey being completed. So it’s better to have it than not. Plus it'll mean his daughter can charge her PHEV when she visits, which helps her.
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Defo agree better to have it or not but it was responding Simon not factoring in cheap overnight electric which is why his math wasn’t ‘mathing’.
 
New EV owner experience.

Private lease on my wife's Fiesta was ending so we needed a replacement regardless of being ICE or EV. She loved her Fiesta and wanted another, but of course they don't make them anymore, boo. Looked at both ICE and EV versions of the Ford Puma as the closest alternatives and ended up getting a Ford Puma Gen-E as it was £40/month cheaper than the ICE equivalent, £215/month, 6 months initial payment, 6000 miles, 3 years.

Bad: Range. I think the quoted WLTP is something like 240 miles, but of course that assumes 100% charge and in winter it drops, so more like 150 in reality. Not really a big deal for us as it's mainly used for a 10 mile daily commute, I've got an ICE car for longer journeys and we can home charge. It's fugly. Touchscreen climate controls.

Good: So quiet. All the torque, all the time. Boot space. Cheap to run. Pre-conditioning the cabin on cold mornings.

Costs: £100/year cheaper to insure than the Fiesta was (St-line X, 100bhp). Fuel costs have gone from £80/month on petrol with the Fiesta to about £12/month with home charging on Intelligent Octopus Go.

Issues: Intelligent Octopus Go smart home charging. It just fails, all the time. I stripped out all the schedules from the Ford Pass and Hypervolt (charger) apps, but the Octopus app will still lose the ability to control the car randomly, so there's no guarantee the charge will happen. I've had to ditch the smart charging aspect and have gone back to manually scheduling via the Ford Pass app to co-incide with the offpeak overnight rate.

Overall, I really like the car considering it's not a ground-up EV platform and has a smallish battery. My wife LOVES it. I can't see any reason to go back to petrol in the future, this is just a better solution for short-medium journey, non-enthusiast everyday transport.
 
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Journey said:
It'll be in a garage, and no doubt he'll pop it on the trickle charger like he does with his camper van, and I am sure the oil won't turn to mayo, it might not be ideal but you are just being hyperbolic now. He wants to keep it, that is up to him, it costs him nothing to do do that. Also it's not about saving money, he wanted a new car to him (used or new) this was the cheapest way to get one and see if he likes it.

Only thing I am not sure on is Vauxhall as brand these days, hence the lease being the sensible choice vs. buying. They bought the Nissan new so it has had a good life, the money they are 'saving' buying a car outright means they can afford to invest more in the renewables for the property and see where they are in 2 years time.
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I'm really not. If they drive it for two thirds of a mile regularly for the next two years it just creates the perfect condition for moisture to form in the oil but the oil never gets warm enough to evaporate that moisture off. Better to just lay it up, ideally get it off the ground to avoid flat spotted tyres and leave it until they want to start using it again. Still don't see the point with a Qashquai though...

In my totally biased opinion Vauxhall are pretty **** as a brand. Poor customer service at my local dealership, questionable build quality and flaky software. That's with a sample of one though. On the plus side it was cheap, change from £25k for a brand new PHEV estate was unbeatable at the time. £40080 RRP was a bitch for my employer come VED time though :p
 
Von Luck said:
New EV owner experience.

Private lease on my wife's Fiesta was ending so we needed a replacement regardless of being ICE or EV. She loved her Fiesta and wanted another, but of course they don't make them anymore, boo. Looked at both ICE and EV versions of the Ford Puma as the closest alternatives and ended up getting a Ford Puma Gen-E as it was £40/month cheaper than the ICE equivalent, £215/month, 6 months initial payment, 6000 miles, 3 years.

Bad: Range. I think the quoted WLTP is something like 240 miles, but of course that assumes 100% charge and in winter it drops, so more like 150 in reality. Not really a big deal for us as it's mainly used for a 10 mile daily commute, I've got an ICE car for longer journeys and we can home charge. It's fugly. Touchscreen climate controls.

Good: So quiet. All the torque, all the time. Boot space. Cheap to run. Pre-conditioning the cabin on cold mornings.

Costs: £100/year cheaper to insure than the Fiesta was (St-line X, 100bhp). Fuel costs have gone from £80/month on petrol with the Fiesta to about £12/month with home charging on Intelligent Octopus Go.

Issues: Intelligent Octopus Go smart home charging. It just fails, all the time. I stripped out all the schedules from the Ford Pass and Hypervolt (charger) apps, but the Octopus app will still lose the ability to control the car randomly, so there's no guarantee the charge will happen. I've had to ditch the smart charging aspect and have gone back to manually scheduling via the Ford Pass app to co-incide with the offpeak overnight rate.

Overall, I really like the car considering it's not a ground-up EV platform and has a smallish battery. My wife LOVES it. I can't see any reason to go back to petrol in the future, this is just a better solution for short-medium journey, non-enthusiast everyday transport.
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The range lies are just as bad as the fuel efficiency lies on ICE cars. I really don’t understand why there are not more realistic tests - it’s. Not. That. Hard.

I did realise that once I learnt the exact milage of my main routes, and roughly the impact of cold / wet / windy, I stopped stressing, and this is in an electric mini with 60k on the clock, a lead foot and an estimated range of 85 miles on full charge.

Just swapping into 2nd EV. Lesson learnt 85mes is not enough range for single car. The boot and back seats are tiny. Outside of that it’s been great.

Next car is polestar 2 DM performance - seems like a hell of a car for 25k - and will road trip of 2.5 - 3hr between each 30 minute charge which is perfect. Bigger boot. Bigger back seat. OHLINS, BREMBO!
 
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Sadly, my Etron GT experience has come to a somewhat unceremonious end after 17 days :( After some very odd behaviour with the keys and being in the dealer for 6 days (2 days local and 4 from where I got it) it was driven back (85 miles), I moved it onto the drive so about 10m and next time I went to start it and it threw the error in the picture.



Audi Assist say the battery pack is unbalanced with a contact the technical centre warning in the diagnosis note, so it has been loaded onto a flatbed and taken back to the dealer where I bought it. Now working out what we do to replace it. Was a great care while it lasted, but the dealers had it for almost as long as I had, had driven it more miles than I had and my wife had not had a chance to drive it :(
 
J1nxy said:
Audi Assist say the battery pack is unbalanced with a contact the technical centre warning in the diagnosis note, so it has been loaded onto a flatbed and taken back to the dealer where I bought it.
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There was a recall for this issue on some vehicles, terrible if the dealer had it and didn't do this.

EDIT: YOU might be able to check which re-call(s) needed to be done and have been done just by calling Audi against this list with the VIN/reg. https://www.check-vehicle-recalls.s...e/make/AUDI/model/E-TRON GT/year/2022/recalls
 
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Journey said:
There was a recall for this issue on some vehicles, terrible if the dealer had it and didn't do this.

EDIT: YOU might be able to check which re-call(s) needed to be done and have been done just by calling Audi against this list with the VIN/reg. https://www.check-vehicle-recalls.service.gov.uk/recall by-type/vehicle/make/AUDI/model/E-TRON GT/year/2022/recalls
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They were all done before the car was picked up, nothing outstanding on any service updates or recalls sadly, have the confirmation from the Audi system already.
 
VAG have some problems with battery modules (similar to ipace) a justification for having a 3rd party pre-purchase invasive battery analysis if you would be approaching battery warranty during your ownership,
to spot imbalances which haven't yet triggered dash warnings.
 
stuman said:
The range lies are just as bad as the fuel efficiency lies on ICE cars. I really don’t understand why there are not more realistic tests - it’s. Not. That. Hard.

I did realise that once I learnt the exact milage of my main routes, and roughly the impact of cold / wet / windy, I stopped stressing, and this is in an electric mini with 60k on the clock, a lead foot and an estimated range of 85 miles on full charge.

Just swapping into 2nd EV. Lesson learnt 85mes is not enough range for single car. The boot and back seats are tiny. Outside of that it’s been great.

Next car is polestar 2 DM performance - seems like a hell of a car for 25k - and will road trip of 2.5 - 3hr between each 30 minute charge which is perfect. Bigger boot. Bigger back seat. OHLINS, BREMBO!
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Quoted EV range seems even less accurate than the discrepancies on mpg for ICE cars. My car (2019 Jimny) has a combined figure of 32mpg but I'm sitting at an average of 34mpg over the last 50k miles. The 2025 Puma WLTP is meant to be 233 miles but currently showing 157 miles at 85% charge. It's enough for us, but very misleading and unfair on people who are looking for a car that can do the quoted range without recharging.
 
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