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Question for either Polestar 2 or BYD Seal drivers / owners (specifically the Long Range AWD Polestar 2 and either variant of the Seal), what is the real world range achievable in either at various times of the year and general thoughts?

Thinking of the longer term replacement for our Model 3 (SR+) and would like a rough 50% increase to its range (currently ~200 summer / 150 Winter) whilst offering similar levels of spec and performance.

Looks like mid-late 20's gets recent models of both with the Seal offerings being newer and, on paper at least, having better specification (Glass roof std for example).

I like the look of both and would be a consideration over a "Highland" Model 3 (I have driven all models of these barring the Performance (out of budget range) and liked the general improvements from our 6 year old 3).

Will be test driving all options in the future anyway but always nice to get actual owner experiences. :)
 
oweneades said:
Question for either Polestar 2 or BYD Seal drivers / owners (specifically the Long Range AWD Polestar 2 and either variant of the Seal), what is the real world range achievable in either at various times of the year and general thoughts?

Thinking of the longer term replacement for our Model 3 (SR+) and would like a rough 50% increase to its range (currently ~200 summer / 150 Winter) whilst offering similar levels of spec and performance.

Looks like mid-late 20's gets recent models of both with the Seal offerings being newer and, on paper at least, having better specification (Glass roof std for example).

I like the look of both and would be a consideration over a "Highland" Model 3 (I have driven all models of these barring the Performance (out of budget range) and liked the general improvements from our 6 year old 3).

Will be test driving all options in the future anyway but always nice to get actual owner experiences. :)
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I never kept any actual logs to be honest, but I had a Launch edition Polestar 2 DM before they had a heatpump and no you won't see anywhere near that kind of range on that model.

Pretty sure I was getting 220 Summer / 175 Winter and the charging speeds are fairly anaemic as well. Often took 40 mins to go from 20% to 80%

Certainly newer ones (2024 onwards) get a bit more range and a slightly bigger battery (82 kWh), and faster charging though but I'm not clear if you were talking about buying used and how old it would be.
 
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VincentHanna said:
I never kept any actual logs to be honest, but I had a Launch edition Polestar 2 DM before they had a heatpump and no you won't see anywhere near that kind of range on that model.

Pretty sure I was getting 220 Summer / 175 Winter and the charging speeds are fairly anaemic as well. Often took 40 mins to go from 20% to 80%

Certainly newer ones (2024 onwards) get a bit more range and a slightly bigger battery (82 kWh), and faster charging though but I'm not clear if you were talking about buying used and how old it would be.
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Thanks, that is quite an eye opener (even if newer ones are better that might only mean ~250 ish in the Summer).

Likely looking around the 73/24 plate which IIRC is pre facelift (would be happy with a LR RWD facelift if it can be had in budget).

Issues being that going much newer means the price jumps (in this context the BYD Seal appears to be better value going on a general AT check).
 
unless you are looking at the refreshed PS2 (which landed in 2023?), you aren’t going to hit those kinds of numbers. The later long range RWD models will do though and AWD is lightly less but still a substantial range upgrade.

The PS2 is considerably smaller inside than a model 3 so bare that in mind also.
 
oweneades said:
Question for either Polestar 2 or BYD Seal drivers / owners (specifically the Long Range AWD Polestar 2 and either variant of the Seal), what is the real world range achievable in either at various times of the year and general thoughts?

Thinking of the longer term replacement for our Model 3 (SR+) and would like a rough 50% increase to its range (currently ~200 summer / 150 Winter) whilst offering similar levels of spec and performance.

Looks like mid-late 20's gets recent models of both with the Seal offerings being newer and, on paper at least, having better specification (Glass roof std for example).

I like the look of both and would be a consideration over a "Highland" Model 3 (I have driven all models of these barring the Performance (out of budget range) and liked the general improvements from our 6 year old 3).

Will be test driving all options in the future anyway but always nice to get actual owner experiences. :)
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35k mileage over 2 and a bit years - Long Range Single motor, 22 plate Polestar 2.

250 in summer, 220 ish in winter with mixed driving.

Behold, my nerdy AF graph:

https://flic.kr/p/2rotbHm
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
unless you are looking at the refreshed PS2 (which landed in 2023?), you aren’t going to hit those kinds of numbers. The later long range RWD models will do though and AWD is lightly less but still a substantial range upgrade.

The PS2 is considerably smaller inside than a model 3 so bare that in mind also.
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More cramped in the 'cockpit', Boot space is bigger though.
 
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Thanks all for the input. Will likely have to ensure any P2 we look at is a "facelift" and then factor in pricing vs direct competition.

I have read that the cockpit can feel cramped, especially around the left knee area (driver) but would like to see for myself before making any decisions.

Seems like efficiency is the killer for the range given the relatively large battery. My LTA in the 3 is 224wh/Mile or 4.46 miles/kWh (based on ~23,000 miles). This broadly aligns with the achievable range, in the summer at least.
 
My wife collected her Model 3 long range last week as her new company car , begrudgingly I have to admit its a very nice drive :p . She's happy to not have to use 10 charging apps and mess about with vat receipts , just plug in charge and the bill goes to her boss.

KIA UK have refused to replace the battery on the EV6 she had previously , so itis now a tug of war between her company and the lease company who funnily enough KIA :rolleyes:
 
oweneades said:
Thanks all for the input. Will likely have to ensure any P2 we look at is a "facelift" and then factor in pricing vs direct competition.

I have read that the cockpit can feel cramped, especially around the left knee area (driver) but would like to see for myself before making any decisions.

Seems like efficiency is the killer for the range given the relatively large battery. My LTA in the 3 is 224wh/Mile or 4.46 miles/kWh (based on ~23,000 miles). This broadly aligns with the achievable range, in the summer at least.
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That's a similar thing i keep finding, i'm really thinking about upgrading from my Ioniq 38kwh, it's great to drive but the road noise in it is sooo bad compared to my 15 year old Toyota Avensis i had before it :( in retrospect i should have done more research about it as it is documented i just figured as it was an EV it would be fairly quiet.

I've started to wear earplugs on my work commute so i don't think that's sustainable to keep it long term at this rate!

But like you i look at alternatives which have much bigger batteries but in the real world they don't seem to actually net much better range, similar to you my average since owning my Ioniq is 4.9 mi/kwh which seems totally unrealistic for almost anything other than a Tesla.
 
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sovietspybob said:
That's a similar thing i keep finding, i'm really thinking about upgrading from my Ioniq 38kwh, it's great to drive but the road noise in it is sooo bad compared to my 15 year old Toyota Avensis i had before it :( in retrospect i should have done more research about it as it is documented i just figured as it was an EV it would be fairly quiet.

I've started to wear earplugs on my work commute so i don't think that's sustainable to keep it long term at this rate!

But like you i look at alternatives which have much bigger batteries but in the real world they don't seem to actually net much better range, similar to you my average since owning my Ioniq is 4.9 mi/kwh which seems totally unrealistic for almost anything other than a Tesla.
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What noise is it? Wind & tyre?
 
sovietspybob said:
That's a similar thing i keep finding, i'm really thinking about upgrading from my Ioniq 38kwh, it's great to drive but the road noise in it is sooo bad compared to my 15 year old Toyota Avensis i had before it :( in retrospect i should have done more research about it as it is documented i just figured as it was an EV it would be fairly quiet.

I've started to wear earplugs on my work commute so i don't think that's sustainable to keep it long term at this rate!

But like you i look at alternatives which have much bigger batteries but in the real world they don't seem to actually net much better range, similar to you my average since owning my Ioniq is 4.9 mi/kwh which seems totally unrealistic for almost anything other than a Tesla.
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I resolve the relatively loud road noise with even louder playlists including Lorna Shore and Disembodied Tyrant (Deathcore music for reference... ) :D

Having had a "Highland" loaner (AWD) for a full day when my 3 was having its PTC ripped out and replaced (wasn't at fault as the Inverter was dying but hey ho..) I was achieving similar efficiency (~4-4.5m/kWh ) on the M5. This would equate to the desired range (300+ based on efficiency and battery size*) but I would like to look at the different options.

*Its somewhat odd in a way as we don't really need this range day to day (the squishy things in the car are the range limit generally..), but I feel like if I am going to change I need to see a material improvement.
 
So my current top 3 EV's to replace my iX later this year.
  1. Zeekr 7GT
  2. BMW iX3
  3. Volvo EX60

Could possibly hold out a for a Xiaomi YU7, but that's looking well into 2027 for a UK launch :(
 
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oweneades said:
I resolve the relatively loud road noise with even louder playlists including Lorna Shore and Disembodied Tyrant (Deathcore music for reference... ) :D

Having had a "Highland" loaner (AWD) for a full day when my 3 was having its PTC ripped out and replaced (wasn't at fault as the Inverter was dying but hey ho..) I was achieving similar efficiency (~4-4.5m/kWh ) on the M5. This would equate to the desired range (300+ based on efficiency and battery size*) but I would like to look at the different options.

*Its somewhat odd in a way as we don't really need this range day to day (the squishy things in the car are the range limit generally..), but I feel like if I am going to change I need to see a material improvement.
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Haha i used to do that in my old cars, Impreza STi and Honda Integra type R's with a dustbin exhaust etc.

I've got long covid now though and that's made me super sensitive to noise, especially the kind of droning noise you get from a car so i can't get away with doing that anymore :(

I am tempted by a model 3 but i dont know if i could live with a boot and not a hatch again as it was a massive pain with my Impreza and that was before kids so might be a non starter now, no budget for a Y unfortunately. Plus i have heard they're not the quietest things at the best of times unless its a highland.

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Double laminated glass and active noise cancellation for the win.
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Wish i could afford something with them! Think i'll be looking at like 14k max so i think nice stuff like that will be out of scope
 
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SDK^ said:
So my current top 3 EV's to replace my iX later this year.
  1. Zeekr 7GT
  2. BMW iX3
  3. Volvo EX60

Could possibly hold out a for a Xiaomi YU7, but that's looking well into 2027 for a UK launch :(
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Will definitely be trying the EX60 and iX3 for our next family car.... as kids get older not quite as much space needed so the Buzz might be able to go

The Zeekr seems in a different category though and too small for us
 
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