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ICDP said:
No actually, you brought up Musk in one of your replies. The absolute mental gymnastics on display is hilarious :D
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Do you not actually see your post right there, above mine? That's exactly what I was responding to. Oh dear...
 
ICDP said:
I relaxed, I was giving you an explanation that for a large number of people the build quality of a Tesla is utterly irrelevant. I was helping you “understand the hate of Tesla’s”.
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I'm aware people don't like Musk and being a reason they wouldn't want to buy one however that wasn't what I was talking about.
Shadowness said:
...and thought they felt very cheap and poorly made....
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I was replying to this.
Junglist said:
I don't understand the hate of Teslas (of course I am biased). I may not have had super luxurious cars to compare it to but it's the best car I've owned, quality wise. The car previous, 2023 Audi S3 saloon feels like it was a step bellow. I understand the S3 isn't exactly the halo product of Audi but it wasn't exactly a budget car either.
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Which is why my comment is about the quality of the car.

Really couldn't careless about all the other noise around Tesla regarding Musk. How someone else choses to spend their money and what brands they wish to purchase is of little concern to me.
 
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Shadowness said:
A Model Y is about £100 a month more (premium long range). But I've hated ever trip I've had in a Tesla, and thought they felt very cheap and poorly made (only ridden in various taxis, so probably not the best place to gather opinions.....or maybe it is?)
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I wouldn't say they're particularly poorly made on the newer stuff (certainly not like the older ones had a reputation for) but I definitely get the 'feel cheap' vibe if you're not a fan of the minimalist approach to the interior - i'm not a massive fan personally, I find it straddles a bit too much of the line between deliberate design minimalism and 'theres nothing in here so we can cut costs'.

Albeit some of the aftermarket stuff you can get that brings it a bit closer to a 'normal car' feel helps a little bit.
 
Junglist said:
Really couldn't care less about all the other noise around Tesla regarding Musk. How someone else choses to spend their money and what brands they wish to purchase is of little concern to me.
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Nor me to be fair, just pointing out why there is a stigma attached to Tesla ownership and unfortunately it’s not as trivial as perceived build quality.
 
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ICDP said:
Nor me to be fair, just pointing out why there is a stigma attached to Tesla ownership and unfortunately it’s not as trivial as perceived build quality.
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pioneering engineering of the efficient drivetrain & ev democratization deserves respect, went a bit far on cost-saving on the integrated tablet & bauhaus interior
he could have been a new Ford , but the subsequent cybertuck and Naziism went a bit far;
now regrettably just lost momentum agsainst the subsidised chinese brands (didn't bmw/audi benefit from politics)
... but why wasn't the model 3 a practical hatchback.
 
Tesla's are a bit weird to me and I realised what it is. From the side profile they look great, a nice flowing shape. However, with the exception of the Model S, looking at a Tesla front-on the proportions are wrong - the vertical ratio of bonnet to windscreen is out of whack, too much windscreen versus bonnet, if you get me. Cars that have similar proportions are the Fiat Multipla and the Pope-Mobile. Like that kid with the massive forehead we called Tefal-Head at school....

Plus the minimalist interiors don't do it for me either, I'd be forever thinking someone has nicked my instrument binnacle and indicator stalk.

Anyway, enough Tesla bashing, they are great cars and we should be forever grateful as they seriously paved the way EVs have progressed.
 
Shadowness said:
Stupid questions, but how do people buy cars these days? (ie if getting it on finance)

Are there deals to be done at dealers?
And why would you NOT go to a main dealer? As in, why go to somewhere else, when surely that's another link in the chain, and more costs?

The other half is increasingly keen on a Renault 5, but not sure it's big enough (so maybe go for a Scenic).
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Depends on your usage profile, and if you change cars frequently, or infrequently. I only look at the TCO (total cost of ownership) and use the option that makes it cost me the least. Cash/PCP/PCH/HP/etc. at the end of the day you need to do quite a bit of spreadsheeting to work out the real 'cheapest' way.

People say thing like "But Renault are doing PCP 0%/low interest." they may be offering no/low interest but you are then paying more for the car upfront some of the time, and if you only intent to keep it 2/3/4 years it makes sense to explore the other options. Currently a new 5 Techno+ 150 on 6k miles PA it is 48 months at £249 a month, with a £4,351 deposit (so real monthly is £340), and a balloon/GFV of £11,994, so 4 years of use costs you ~£16,300 - if you look at a PCH for the same car then you can get it on 48 month (1+47) for £279 a month, or a total of £13,392, or about £3k less for the same period of time.

One deal will be unique to one car, as it is to another, if you are buying used then you have even more sums to do. Don't assume a main dealer is the cheapest, or than other brokers will cost more. :)
 
MOOGLEYS said:
I loved my Ioniq 5 the amount of space inside is fantastic and the seats are so comfy. I’m not a fan of Tesla I test drove a few but they are all very meh to me to minimalist I think and everything being on the one screen was a pain. I get why people like them though.
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How comes you got rid of your ionic 5?
 
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