Sure, but must be more to the story.
Something about the Ioniq 5 that you did not like or put you off?
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Sure, but must be more to the story.
Something about the Ioniq 5 that you did not like or put you off?
I loved the Ioniq 5 had it for nearly a year and no complaints. But the GT is like a big step up. No real reason other than the Ioniq 5 N is still quiet pricey and the GT is pretty much the same thing with a longer warranty.
What are the 'normal' bits? That depends on where to look..
Enhance auto do a good range of accessories, their 'commander' can add cool little features to a Tesla, as well as being the gateway to adding extra buttons, stalks, knobs etc.. In fact for highland model 3 with no indicator stalk, I'd probably consider adding that from day 1..
For mats, trays, wheel covers etc, then places like Tessories or even eBay is awash with stuff..
My only advice with a Tesla, is give it a month before buying extra buttons/dashes etc.. most people get used to the controls/interior very quickly and end up not needing anything..
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Noted, tbh any modern car will be an adjustment from the car(s) I currently drive. Will certainly miss my I-drive and being able to change screens/selected menu items without barely having to take my eyes off the road. Absolutely baffled that you still can't use a mobile phone while driving, but you can operate an iPad, and have to dive into unnecessary sub menus to access basic things that you used to operate with a button.
PS. Not saying you SHOULD be able to use a mobile phone, but using the example as a comparison.
Voice controls are the go to really if you don't want to use your hands - I'd ask what are the most common things you actual use buttons for, other than heating adjustment. On the Tesla you can customise what the left scroll wheel does on the steering wheel as well so even less need to move your hands off the wheel.
There also isn’t really any reason to be looking at menus let alone sub menus when driving the car.
Also there is an overarching catch all distracted driving law - driving without due care and attention.
The specific mobile phone criteria is to make it easier to prosecute with a harsher punishment than regular driving without due care. That’s because the simple action is an offence rather than the impact it has on your driving. The irony here is that it’s not illegal to hold/use a 2 way radio but holding a phone* is.
*Yes I know you can do more on a phone but the rule came in long before cheap data was a thing and most people were holding them to their faces.
Also there is an overarching catch all distracted driving law - driving without due care and attention.
The specific mobile phone criteria is to make it easier to prosecute with a harsher punishment than regular driving without due care. That’s because the simple action is an offence rather than the impact it has on your driving. The irony here is that it’s not illegal to hold/use a 2 way radio but holding a phone* is.
*Yes I know you can do more on a phone but the rule came in long before cheap data was a thing and most people were holding them to their faces.
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Is this a common thing?
Not sure I have ever looked into the character of the brand's owner/leadership when selecting a car
if we did, no one would be buying a Volkswagen
*edit* NM, I can see this was already discussed, and I am just dragging it back up!
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Is this a common thing?
Not sure I have ever looked into the character of the brand's owner/leadership when selecting a car
*edit* NM, I can see this was already discussed, and I am just dragging it back up!
You dont have to as Musk is so overt the media exposure is off the scale!
Now look what you've doneIs this a common thing?
Not sure I have ever looked into the character of the brand's owner/leadership when selecting a car
if we did, no one would be buying a Volkswagen
*edit* NM, I can see this was already discussed, and I am just dragging it back up!
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How so?
I don't have Apple CarPlay in my BMW, but I find it easy to navigate artists, playlists etc in the media section (some of it is muscle memory now, so I can click through the menus with only a quick glimpse). I also sometimes glimpse at MPG, and trip data. Again, have those programmed to the 1-8 custom buttons, so just one reach and I'm there.
I agree people shouldn't be constantly diving in and out of menus, but in the newer cars I've driven, most with a single touchscreen interface, it's been an awful experience, and verging on dangerous when I find it difficult to accurately press a small icon (made harder with our crap roads!)
I think most touchscreen implementations in modern cars only get flack if the systems are poorly designed or poorly perform such that you need to be constantly twiddling with things.
I do find Tesla certainly have most of the key systems work so well that I'm amazed how little I interact with the touchscreen whilst on the move.. The main controls I use are mainly on the wheel already..
However, I think it's now really getting augmented nicely with AI.. This weekend I was travelling to my Daughters in the Model Y and she phoned whilst I was on my way to ask if I could meet her in Wetherspoons and said to park in the public car park just behind it. I didn't want to pull over so just said "Hey Grok, navigate to the little car park just behind the Wetherspoons in Monmouth" and sure enough it figured it all out and navigated as you'd expect.
Since Tesla has fully memory functionality (Seats, Steering Wheel, Wing Mirrors, Climate settings etc), I just don't need to adjust anything, maybe slightly tweak a seat position, to which I can save it there and then without going in sub menu's or ignore it as a one off..
It's not perfect, but the kind of controls most older cars have just don't seem to be needed on well implemented modern cars.. My i3S has iDrive and plenty of physical buttons, but I don't find it easier in anyway that makes me think I'd want to go back to iDrive only, ironically I sometimes wish my iDrive had touch controls.
Each to their own..
I do find Tesla certainly have most of the key systems work so well that I'm amazed how little I interact with the touchscreen whilst on the move.. The main controls I use are mainly on the wheel already..
However, I think it's now really getting augmented nicely with AI.. This weekend I was travelling to my Daughters in the Model Y and she phoned whilst I was on my way to ask if I could meet her in Wetherspoons and said to park in the public car park just behind it. I didn't want to pull over so just said "Hey Grok, navigate to the little car park just behind the Wetherspoons in Monmouth" and sure enough it figured it all out and navigated as you'd expect.
Since Tesla has fully memory functionality (Seats, Steering Wheel, Wing Mirrors, Climate settings etc), I just don't need to adjust anything, maybe slightly tweak a seat position, to which I can save it there and then without going in sub menu's or ignore it as a one off..
It's not perfect, but the kind of controls most older cars have just don't seem to be needed on well implemented modern cars.. My i3S has iDrive and plenty of physical buttons, but I don't find it easier in anyway that makes me think I'd want to go back to iDrive only, ironically I sometimes wish my iDrive had touch controls.
Each to their own..
For trip data, the bottom right portion of the display has a permanent tile/card that you swipe left/right that has trip info/stats, radio, media, etc.. it's just one touch away..
For large music collections, thats a good use case, I have a large USB collection that is hard to navigate through iDrive, so many screen fulls to scroll through.. this isn't fixed on Tesla, it integrates with Spotify or youtube music nicely, just "play xxxxx on 'streaming service'" works for me, but I wish it would also cover USB since voice accuracy has been getting better over time..
Yeah people seem to think lack of physical buttons is a problem, when they just need to look at what that new tech does offer. Voice controls being a perfect example.
My wife was bemoaning the fact her iX2 didn’t have the date somewhere on the screen. I said “hey BMW, what date is it” and it responded instantly with “It is Monday 18th of May 2026”. Not long after she was asking how to increase the temperature. You can imagine the looks I got when I said “hey BMW set the temperature to 23 Celsius”.
When I followed that evil look up with an “eyes on the prize and the prize is life”… while pointing at the road!
Our spare bed is surprisingly comfortable.
My wife was bemoaning the fact her iX2 didn’t have the date somewhere on the screen. I said “hey BMW, what date is it” and it responded instantly with “It is Monday 18th of May 2026”. Not long after she was asking how to increase the temperature. You can imagine the looks I got when I said “hey BMW set the temperature to 23 Celsius”.
When I followed that evil look up with an “eyes on the prize and the prize is life”… while pointing at the road!
Our spare bed is surprisingly comfortable.
I think some of the problem stems from people getting used to doing things (like the scrolling through music libraries example above) that if we're honest with ourselves, we probably ought not to be doing whilst in motion whether they're on physical controls or touch controls.
As long as key safety controls are all accessible, which generally speaking they are (otherwise they'd get hammered on NCAP etc.), most things moving to touchscreens is a non-issue for me.
As long as key safety controls are all accessible, which generally speaking they are (otherwise they'd get hammered on NCAP etc.), most things moving to touchscreens is a non-issue for me.
See above from @Demon basically.
Even stuff like de-fogging the front/rear screen and heated seats is all linked up with the automatic climate control so you never touch it, it just does it. It’s completely set and forget.
All the important trip stuff is on the screen. Even the older non-grok voice commands are very good, even at navigation.
Before I set off to Paris not long ago, I used ‘navigate to Moxy Val d’Europe’, it found it and plotted a route without any other intervention.
The only gripe is the controls for putting on the fog lights takes 2 presses and one one of those can be done with the stalk, the other is on the screen.
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This.
I'm not sure I'd put "Voice controls" and "perfect" in the same sentence
Me: "Play <album name> by <artist name> on Spotify"
Car: "Sure, playing literally the ****** music I can find (whose name doesn't sound even remotely similar to what I said)"
Me: "Stop!"
Me: *with slightly different pronunciation*: "Play <album name> by <artist name> on Spotify"
Car: "Sure, playing <some other drivel that makes me actively want to drive into the nearest solid object>"
Me: *with yet again slightly different pronunciation*: "Play <album name> by <artist name> on Spotify"
Car: "Sorry, I can't find <album name> by <artist name> on Spotify"
Me: *mumbling* "well it was there this morning you stupid ***** piece of ****"
Car: "Playing 'it was there this morning' by 'you stupid ***** piece of ****' on Spotify"
Me: "Just **** stop, I'll do it myself"
*Pull over at the soonest opportunity, spend 3 seconds searching for the album - oh look, it does exist on Spotify, there's a **** surprise
"You'd think they'd have some kind of intelligence built into them, like, do I want to listen to an album I've listened to before multiple times by an artist in my favourites of a genre I listen to a lot, or some obscure song by an artist nobody has ever heard of in a genre I hate? Invariably it picks the latter!
or
Me: "Navigate to home"
Car: "Navigating to Home Stores Incorporated"
Me: "Navigate to <postcode>"
Car: "Did you mean <business name that shares a single letter with my postcode>"
Me: "No... Navigate to <Road Name>"
Car: "Navigating to <Business which shares road name in a completely different town 300 miles away from where I want to be>"
Maybe just my accent, but multiple devices across different vendors are very hit and miss - definitely more miss!
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I came from iDrive 7 which I thought was the perfect balance of buttons/screens, but as you say, most of the settings are pretty automatic so you don't end up needing to fiddle with the screen that often.
Tesla software does stand out though, it's so good that you don't even really end up missing Apple CarPlay. It reminds me a lot of Apple software, pretty intuitive and rather slick.
It really is a mixed bag with the other brands... even the newest version of typically brilliant iDrive is comparatively complicated now - BMW have overdone it.