EV general discussion

tom_e said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ling-cutting-vat-public-electric-car-chargers HMRC don't want to, it's a big juicy tax stream
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If you read the details of the article, it is very clear that the fact pattern is such that it fits the definition of something that was never intended to include public EV charging. VAT is the only part of our tax system that is prescriptive and stuff like this is why no other element of our tax system is prescriptive.

It's just riddled with holes and outcomes which were never intended and it's also why the entire US tax system has more holes than a sieve. It's also why you get HMRC and large multinational businesses spending £lol duking it out in court constantly with absurd litigation like this: https://www.theguardian.com/busines...padoms-are-crisps-in-all-but-name-judges-rule

I'll get off my high horse on VAT now. The eVED thing is nuts, I always thought it was nuts and it still is nuts. At least you no longer have to take your sub 3 year car to get the milage read at years 1 and 2 now. I can imagine our resident leaf-driving MOT tester was looking forward to becoming a tax man on top of everything else.

Edit: it looks like they will be making fleet operators charge the full eVED to customers based on the milage in the contract upfront. Not sure you'll see any refunds at the end.
 
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Has it been made clear who pays the 3p a mile if you ever have an EV hire car? I'm thinking the hire company as that would be easier, or they'll calculate it at the end and charge you appropriately + handling + administration + other legal thievery. Also, if you personally lease a car where the road tax is included, I wonder how that will work out.

At 15,000 miles a year typically, it's going to cost me an additional £450 a year for the eVED. Still nowhere as near as what I was paying for diesel previously but I'm still a bit miffed at it and not sure why. I think it's the government deception and the need for them to tax everything we eat, drink, buy, drive, save, say and think. For another thread probably!
 
Mysterae_ said:
Has it been made clear who pays the 3p a mile if you ever have an EV hire car? I'm thinking the hire company as that would be easier, or they'll calculate it at the end and charge you appropriately + handling + administration + other legal thievery. Also, if you personally lease a car where the road tax is included, I wonder how that will work out.
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No but the hire car company will just bake it into the hire fee. You will not see it as a line item on your rental.

They’ll just adjust pricing by their fleet averages.

Mysterae_ said:
At 15,000 miles a year typically, it's going to cost me an additional £450 a year for the eVED. Still nowhere as near as what I was paying for diesel previously but I'm still a bit miffed at it and not sure why. I think it's the government deception and the need for them to tax everything we eat, drink, buy, drive, save, say and think. For another thread probably!
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£24bn of fuel duty receipts which are slowly being eroded need to come from somewhere. Sure not all of that comes from cars but it’s not being priced to cover the whole amount either.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Edit: it looks like they will be making fleet operators charge the full eVED to customers based on the milage in the contract upfront. Not sure you'll see any refunds at the end.
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It stays with the car and is meant to be factored into its value when it changes hands (ludicrous idea) so I can't see it being refunded.

When we inevitably have to deal with this on my company car I'll declare my estimated private mileage as one mile to my employer and we can sort it out at the end of the year. My business mileage can fluctuate by as much as 14000 miles year on year and my personal by as much as 4000 miles according to my records over the last 12 years, so the figure is going to be a guesstimate at best anyway.
 
3p is just the start it will go up rapidly at every opportunity especially if labour are still in power. It was always inevitable the cheap running of electric cars would end the same happened with diesel.
I have one more year of doing 25k a year so luckily will be finished before this kicks in. I could not go back to an ice car now even performance ones feel sluggish and slow in comparison.
 
Picked up our first EV on Monday. This is a 2023 BMW iX xDrive50 in Storm Bay. 111 kWh battery and 516bhp. It’s very different to our other car which is a Z4 M40i. Charger being installed on Monday. Very pleased with it, still dialling in the seat position it’s different to anything I’ve drove before.

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LiE said:
Picked up our first EV on Monday. This is a 2023 BMW iX xDrive50 in Storm Bay. 111 kWh battery and 516bhp. It’s very different to our other car which is a Z4 M40i. Charger being installed on Monday. Very pleased with it, still dialling in the seat position it’s different to anything I’ve drove before.
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Needs moar power
 
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LiE said:
Picked up our first EV on Monday. This is a 2023 BMW iX xDrive50 in Storm Bay. 111 kWh battery and 516bhp. It’s very different to our other car which is a Z4 M40i. Charger being installed on Monday. Very pleased with it, still dialling in the seat position it’s different to anything I’ve drove before.

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If you need a supplier for paper bags, let me know ;)



Initial thoughts on the driving experience vs the A4?


Obviously a very different drive but noticing the lack of gear changes already?
 
MrRockliffe said:
If you need a supplier for paper bags, let me know ;)



Initial thoughts on the driving experience vs the A4?


Obviously a very different drive but noticing the lack of gear changes already?
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It’s certainly divisive in the looks department.

I’ve really only had a chance to drive it once since Monday and so far, it’s been great. Much smoother coming off/on the throttle for sure. The instant power with the huge torque make it effortless to progress.
 
LiE said:
Picked up our first EV on Monday. This is a 2023 BMW iX xDrive50 in Storm Bay. 111 kWh battery and 516bhp. It’s very different to our other car which is a Z4 M40i. Charger being installed on Monday. Very pleased with it, still dialling in the seat position it’s different to anything I’ve drove before.

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I dunno about cream seats personally. Mostly just me being paranoid about maintenance, mind.
 
At last I've got the EX30 booked in for the battery module replacement on 1st September.
Only nine months since the recall was announced... :rolleyes:
 
Fancied a challenge and had a work trip that was 150 miles round trip. Took the wifes spring and pretended to be a lorry up most of the M18/A1/A64 around York. Went essentially a max of 56 in left lane everywhere, did the trip with 9% spare, estimated range of around 180 miles and the trip there got 7.5mpkWh. Nice knowing that the whole run only cost me £1.66 in electric :D
 
Gammawolf said:
Fancied a challenge and had a work trip that was 150 miles round trip. Took the wifes spring and pretended to be a lorry up most of the M18/A1/A64 around York. Went essentially a max of 56 in left lane everywhere, did the trip with 9% spare, estimated range of around 180 miles and the trip there got 7.5mpkWh. Nice knowing that the whole run only cost me £1.66 in electric :D
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Did you fit in any drafting though. ;)

7.5mpKwh is amazing efficeincy, and if you aren't in a hurry a great result, would be interesting to see the same trip in winter weather, or we condtions.
 
Gammawolf said:
Fancied a challenge and had a work trip that was 150 miles round trip. Took the wifes spring and pretended to be a lorry up most of the M18/A1/A64 around York. Went essentially a max of 56 in left lane everywhere, did the trip with 9% spare, estimated range of around 180 miles and the trip there got 7.5mpkWh. Nice knowing that the whole run only cost me £1.66 in electric :D
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That's really impressive. You're possibly more patient a driver than most. I struggle to hit 200 miles from my Puma Gen-E, probably at best 4.4 miles/kWh.
 
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