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kefkef said:
Porsche Panamera was on my list, but i gave up the will to live with the options lists and I thought to myself i'll have FOMO in case i get the car and there's something i hadn't specced. :D
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Not as daft as you think..

I remember picking up a BMW X3, it was a weird car in it had every single high ticket and rare option (pan roof, icon led headlights, 360 cameras, adaptive suspension, extended leather, fine wood trim etc) but had manual seats.. I found out for sure when I'd handed over the money etc, the previous owners were in the dealers as their new X5 had a problem but came over to talk and say how faultless their old car had been and told me the agony of ticking all the options but somehow missed the seats in the myriad of tick boxes and were absolutely astounded that electric seats weren't standard on the top trim levels..
 
kefkef said:
My mate at works got a Polestar 3, of all the EV's people have at work (BMW i4/i5, multiple Audis, MB's -- we work in the NHS, everyone loves a salary sacrifice car.....) it's the one that's had the most issues resulting in (i'd estimate/recollect) 9/10 visits to the dealers or call outs to home.
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Thanks, that doesn’t sound promising at all. Might have to rethink it
 
Got the wife's new ID3....touch button shenanigans aside it's brilliant !
Hate driving my petrol car now ha.

So now I'm going to get one and been thinking of using cinch if any one has used them ? I think with 200mile 14 day return you can get a battery check and a good test drive that way compared to a normal garage...
 
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Went to get a 100 Extreme Spring (26 plate with anti roll bar.etc) with dad this morning (dad's car not mine). Did a 132 mile trip back without stopping got back to his house with 7% left.

Was fine on the motorway.

Does have it's shortcomings, but as a run around/commuter it's perfectly adequate and nippy to 50.

Id buy one myself but the insurance is a killer was only 50 extra for my dad, it's an extra 250 for me. Even if I drove 8k miles a year I'm out of pocket around £5k after trade-in, which would take me 4 years or more to get back in fuel savings, by which time where will electric cars be technology wise? But I'm working from home so don't get anywhere close to 8k ha

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With 5 mins for a 70% charge, the ability to really rapidly recharge an EV might well swing the balance:

 
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Quartz said:
With 5 mins for a 70% charge, the ability to really rapidly recharge an EV might well swing the balance:
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Swing what balance? Certainly not in a country with such expensive electricity/away from home charging. My wife fills a Seat Arona for £50 that does 320-350 miles. How much do you estimate charging up an similar car that's at least a 1/3rd more expensive to buy to do 250 miles on a good day is going to cost? How much do you think adding 50KW from one of those would cost in the uk?

I will have one because of a salary sacrifice, without that I'd carry on paying for fuel and a cheaper car. I'm not under any illusions that I won't be going back to ICE when my scheme ends or the inevitable tax increases on electricity.
 
you can buy used EVs at pretty much all price points these days and they will be far cheaper to run than their equivalent petrol car if you can charge at home which i presume you do given you already have an EV.
 
Quartz said:
With 5 mins for a 70% charge, the ability to really rapidly recharge an EV might well swing the balance:

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Generally the charging speed isn’t the biggest issue with public charging - it’s the cost. Until it’s significantly cheaper than running an ICE (under 50p per KWH) those who can’t charge at home will not be attracted by rapid speeds.
 
teslas initial fix to their chinese door handle recall, before mechanically different handle installed
Some of the affected vehicles will be made safer with an over-the-air software update that lowers windows after collisions, making it easier for passengers to get out in an emergency. But many cars will also need new warning stickers—affixed free of charge—that can help people find and operate emergency mechanical door handles.
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are the windows not on the low voltage power system, #
nonetheless, car would be pretty smashed/submerged before battery would be compromised.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Swing what balance? Certainly not in a country with such expensive electricity/away from home charging. My wife fills a Seat Arona for £50 that does 320-350 miles. How much do you estimate charging up an similar car that's at least a 1/3rd more expensive to buy to do 250 miles on a good day is going to cost? How much do you think adding 50KW from one of those would cost in the uk?

I will have one because of a salary sacrifice, without that I'd carry on paying for fuel and a cheaper car. I'm not under any illusions that I won't be going back to ICE when my scheme ends or the inevitable tax increases on electricity.
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Those sort of fast chargers won't be in normal everyday vehicles for years either and regardless of cost and the whole experience is bound to be rubbish as I can't image them refining the cable size.

Did my first public charge at my local MFG 150Kw station, not because I needed to just for the experience and because we have two cars that need charging and sometime I might need more charge than I thought the day before, anyway, everything worked really easily but the weight and thickness of the charging cable, unravelling and putting my car on charge was grim, that is not something my missus is going to manage, too heavy and unweildy, hard to believe this is touted as the way. Rubbish much worse than petrol even disregarding time.
 
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Not all charger cables are made equally.

Some decide to go with a think cable, others use water cooled cables which are half the thickness and far more flexible.

Some of the plug handles are better than others also.

That said I’ve seen plenty of old biddies manage the big chungus cables just fine.
 
Penfold101 said:
Generally the charging speed isn’t the biggest issue with public charging - it’s the cost. Until it’s significantly cheaper than running an ICE (under 50p per KWH) those who can’t charge at home will not be attracted by rapid speeds.
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I disagree: in the short term there will be business travellers who will just put the charging cost on expenses and for whom time is money. And in the long term charging prices will come down as competition comes into play.
 
sandys said:
and regardless of cost and the whole experience is bound to be rubbish as I can't image them refining the cable size.
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Did you watch the video? The BYD setups are different to the norm with the cable on a sliding gantry removing much of the cable lugging around.

Don't forget we are still heading towards EVs being the only choice going forwards so a portion of the population will be running their cars purely on public charging whether they like it or not. The quicker the charge, the lesser the pain for those people.

A guy at work runs his Zoe purely on public charging as he lives in a flat. Seems such an inconvenient and costly way to run a car. Luckily for him our company turns a blind eye to him disappearing to stick his car on a local charger if it doesn't happen to be available on his commute in. They also ignore the fact that someone also follows him down there to give him a lift back :rolleyes: Must cost him triple what the fuel cost in an equivalent Clio would and burns up maybe an hour of (relatively well paid) staff time as well for our company because this can happen ultimately to three times a week.
 
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