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TheVoice said:
Fortunately that's a bit of an outdated concern at this point, the charging networks are improving constantly and unless you're going somewhere remote, there'll be suitably fast charging available somewhere on the way.
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Range anxiety and charging speeds are still an issue, maybe not for people who buy big tanks but I don’t need a big tank, I am into smaller 4m city cars as that is what I need most of the time, like your old hot hatches, small cars that can do big things, I’d even consider a little super N, I came from an Up after all, these little cars don’t come with 350w charging nor do they necessarily have robust charging curves or big batteries

Range at speed is grim, charging is long, no updates to infrastructure will fix that when you do that occasional trip, as your car can only charge at the speed of its on board charger, I'm fortunate to have many cars so not the biggest issue for me but doesn't mean the issue does not exist.

Even having a bit of fun on track is tricky, range on the Abarth at speed is laughable as is the refill time, all the hardware and it is gimped, boo, I didn't get the car for that I have a proper car for this purposes but I was interested in testing what it is capable of.
 
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sandys said:
Range anxiety and charging speeds are still an issue, maybe not for people who buy big tanks but I don’t need a big tank, I am into smaller 4m city cars as that is what I need most of the time, like your old hot hatches, small cars that can do big things, I’d even consider a little super N, I came from an Up after all, these little cars don’t come with 350w charging nor do they necessarily have robust charging curves or big batteries

Range at speed is grim, charging is long, no updates to infrastructure will fix that when you do that occasional trip, as your car can only charge at the speed of its on board charger, I'm fortunate to have many cars so not the biggest issue for me but doesn't mean the issue does not exist.

Even having a bit of fun on track is tricky, range on the Abarth at speed is laughable as is the refill time, all the hardware and it is gimped, boo, I didn't get the car for that I have a proper car for this purposes but I was interested in testing what it is capable of.
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But that mostly comes down to buying the correct car for your usage than the charging network, surely? If you're trying to do long journeys at speed in a car that only charges at 50kW and has a tiny battery you have to accept the compromises you made when you bought it, and that you might have to stop more often and for longer. All the longer trips I've done in my R5 have been easy, and by the time I've had a snack, a drink and scrolled my phone I've put enough back in the battery to get going again.
 
ChrisD. said:
Would be a struggle doing half! :cry:
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Not an M2 by any means but my M140i does mid 40mpg most of the time when it's an office day but it's mostly all motorway with a small bit of fun every now and then.

When I'm not using it for commuting it's low 20's though :D

Back on topic, whats the current best EV with decent (real world) range for under £20k then? Don't want a Tesla though, it may be the best but it's too sterile inside and I personally can't stand Musk so that's enough to put me off.
 
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lovelyhead said:
I know. The amount of people here who think buying a £35k front wheel drive car with less performance than an almost new £20K car is a good idea is pretty delusional.
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buying new is always going to be a premium price to pay ..... I have no dog in this race and have absolutely nowt against MG..... i would consider an mg4 for sure... and would love a cyberster were it not for needing more practicality (it's why I sold my 350z)
but you need to do apples to apples and use new prices if you want to talk about value.....
IF having new didn't come with it's own added value then surely no one would ever buy new unless it was a tax dodging lease ...... but they do (thankfully otherwise there would be no 3 year old discounted cars for me to buy ;) )
 
bigmike20vt said:
buying new is always going to be a premium price to pay ..... I have no dog in this race and have absolutely nowt against MG..... i would consider an mg4 for sure... and would love a cyberster were it not for needing more practicality (it's why I sold my 350z)
but you need to do apples to apples and use new prices if you want to talk about value.....
IF having new didn't come with it's own added value then surely no one would ever buy new unless it was a tax dodging lease ...... but they do (thankfully otherwise there would be no 3 year old discounted cars for me to buy ;) )
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A new MG4 Xpower is around £1000 cheaper than the e208 GTI.
 
TheVoice said:
But that mostly comes down to buying the correct car for your usage than the charging network, surely? If you're trying to do long journeys at speed in a car that only charges at 50kW and has a tiny battery you have to accept the compromises you made when you bought it, and that you might have to stop more often and for longer. All the longer trips I've done in my R5 have been easy, and by the time I've had a snack, a drink and scrolled my phone I've put enough back in the battery to get going again.
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Whilst yes you can do that my similarly small Abarth Punto and Up Gti can do 400+ miles on a fill up, so when I used to commute Bristol to Maidenhead daily it was a non-issue, I did not buy the Punto to commute such distance, it was a city car, all I needed at the time, I was not about to buy a uber motorway barge just in case, but my company shut down the site I worked at for 6yrs and moved, no problem with a petrol car it just worked, no planning, no winter worries etc, or factoring in a charge everyday adding to an already long day, things like that just happen in life, at that time I did consider a Kona a reasonably small car with good range but the reality was it only worked if all I did was go to and from work and had no life outside of it.

I'm not anti EV, I am driving an EV :D it is just not the Nirvana some suggest, it still has pitfalls, I can put up with many because I only do a handful of miles a day and I have other cars.
 
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£1k difference on a brand new car that 90% of people will be PCPing (or similar) anyway is not even worth mentioning.
 
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MOOGLEYS said:
Even when its costs as much to charge an EV as to fuel a petrol car I would still rather drive an EV. I would really struggle to go back now tbh.
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ive had mine just over 2 weeks and done around 800 miles and i can already see all the benefits of having my EV and really think i would struggle going back to ICE.
 
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