Eve Online How can you beat cheating when devs cheat as well?
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1 dev does not = devs and most of it wansnt true. The new Internal offers department will hopefully stop this type of thing happening again.
Its also blown out of proportion with most of what was said not being true and the blueprints are no longer worth much and dropping in value every day. It is easy for anyone to get T2 blueprints now. So I dont see what the big deal is.
“What's enraged most people is the free insider info that has been given out by the 'corrupt' dev.”
What insider information? Last I heard those accusations where all false. Like the T1 cargo blueprint turning to T2 so buy up T1 blueprints that wasn’t insider information.
Its also blown out of proportion with most of what was said not being true and the blueprints are no longer worth much and dropping in value every day. It is easy for anyone to get T2 blueprints now. So I dont see what the big deal is.
“What's enraged most people is the free insider info that has been given out by the 'corrupt' dev.”
What insider information? Last I heard those accusations where all false. Like the T1 cargo blueprint turning to T2 so buy up T1 blueprints that wasn’t insider information.
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“Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Pottsey
Most of it couldn't be proven, but I think it's pretty clear cut that there was more than one dev in BoB.“
It wasn’t a case of most of it couldn’t be proven it was a case most of it was proven false or lies. Remember the guy who posted the info was a well known hacker and liar who’s been kicked out of lots of games. A lot of what he said was not true or had valid reasons. For example all the Bob player with CPP IP address. He made it sound like they where all devs but they where all players with valid reasons for the IP address.
Most of it couldn't be proven, but I think it's pretty clear cut that there was more than one dev in BoB.“
It wasn’t a case of most of it couldn’t be proven it was a case most of it was proven false or lies. Remember the guy who posted the info was a well known hacker and liar who’s been kicked out of lots of games. A lot of what he said was not true or had valid reasons. For example all the Bob player with CPP IP address. He made it sound like they where all devs but they where all players with valid reasons for the IP address.
Things like knowledge of exactly what is happening on a lower level with the software seem difficult to know about purely by accident... but do provide an advantage if your enemy isn't aware of such things.
I mean the tech II ammo BPOs are one thing... it seems a very strange thing to risk your job for "just" some ammo BPOs (which are barely worth anything in the scheme of things)...
I mean the tech II ammo BPOs are one thing... it seems a very strange thing to risk your job for "just" some ammo BPOs (which are barely worth anything in the scheme of things)...
Pottsey said:
Yea hi BOB
come on, the amount of time BOB has denyed anything has ever happened and then this comes out make me wonde what else has happened. It would not suprise me in the slightest if BOB where given inside knowledge of events taking place and lots of other things.
ANother example is there enemys POS's going offline and how ASCN seemed to always get the worst of the lag.
and this time no Tinfoil hats needed imo since we have already had one thing come out about how something DID happen.
Ok i Played this about 1 year and half ago and loved it for the trial period and a month more, I nearly had a nice big ship etc.
But got hooked on city of heroes.
Can anyone tell me if the game is still worth joining? considering i have a full time job now to think about and many more things!
how much is it a month again?
But got hooked on city of heroes.
Can anyone tell me if the game is still worth joining? considering i have a full time job now to think about and many more things!
how much is it a month again?
I'm yet to see any proof that Band of Brothers cheat the game, one Dev altering the lottery system to spawn ships and tells no-one in the allaince does not make BoB hackers and cheaters. What he did was stupid and selfish he brought a dark cloud over BoB that wasn't needed. And re the OP the guy who found out was banned because he illegally hack many sites to access that infomation.
Wizzkidy said:Yea hi BOB
It would not suprise me in the slightest if BOB where given inside knowledge of events taking place and lots of other things.
ANother example is there enemys POS's going offline and how ASCN seemed to always get the worst of the lag.
and this time no Tinfoil hats needed imo since we have already had one thing come out about how something DID happen.
So one thing happened, and then you think that that ties in all tin-foil-hattery into it as well?
Do you have any shed of evidence?
BoB has a large turn around in the sense many people don't stay in BoB for long, its harsh life with many high expectations, also many are removed from the Alliance but has anyone ever brought forward proof of cheating or dirty deeds? Even the most ****** off people who were kicked denid any wrong doing was going on.
[DW]Muffin said:
I'm just saying, there was proof that something did happen and BOB got these BPO's and no doubt more ISK to wage war with.
I'm also saying there is nothing saying other things didn't happen either (im not saying they did) but you get where i'm going with this.
and now its come out of the hat and found out the north is going to pwn BOB's behind.
For one thing I am glad because the amount of horrible nasty posts I see from BOB members on the forums is imo dreadful.
I would point you to the thread but I can't be bothered to find it - a lot of BOB members are just horrible people that get a kick out of being in the most "powerful alliance in game" and this was proven by the reaction they gave in the "Why ASCN lost" thread that CYVOK posted.
it was absolutly terrible from BOB
”Yea hi BOB come on, the amount of time BOB has denyed anything has ever happened and then this comes out make me wonde what else has happened.”
First of all I am well known in Eve look my name up, I am not part of Bob. My main is in a solo role-play corp and before that corps with nothing to do with BOB. Well I think I have an alt in a Bob corp as I do with all major alliance’s for role-play reasons. My roleplay corp has sleeper agents all over. (Not spys as I dont pass on any info or use what I hear)
As for BOB denying anything that’s because as far as they know they had no Devs. 99.999999% of BOB know nothing about the blueprints or dev. From reading the logs about 3 people know and they where all in the same corp. The rest of the corp and alliance know nothing. In fact when the corp CEO found out he kicked the dev out of the corp all before this came to light.
”It would not suprise me in the slightest if BOB where given inside knowledge of events taking place and lots of other things.”
Well yeah that’s normal practise, of course BOB had inside knowledge of events in their space along with every other major alliance. When a large role-play event is being set into motion CEO’s and leaders of alliance’s who it effects are informed before hand. Imagine the uproar if the NPC’s suddenly without any warning invaded your alliance space and they did it with massive ships bigger then anything players can get.
Before players had carriers or Titans both used to wonder around via NPC events controlled by people some NPC’s (controlled by people) invaded BOBS system full force and the BOB leaders would have had insider info beforehand to arrange for the pilots to be around for the event. The average pilot didn’t know but the leaders would have. That’s how large events are ran. Large events like the Titan chase before players had Titans would have been pre planed with certain players/corps asked to be in certain areas at a set time.
First of all I am well known in Eve look my name up, I am not part of Bob. My main is in a solo role-play corp and before that corps with nothing to do with BOB. Well I think I have an alt in a Bob corp as I do with all major alliance’s for role-play reasons. My roleplay corp has sleeper agents all over. (Not spys as I dont pass on any info or use what I hear)
As for BOB denying anything that’s because as far as they know they had no Devs. 99.999999% of BOB know nothing about the blueprints or dev. From reading the logs about 3 people know and they where all in the same corp. The rest of the corp and alliance know nothing. In fact when the corp CEO found out he kicked the dev out of the corp all before this came to light.
”It would not suprise me in the slightest if BOB where given inside knowledge of events taking place and lots of other things.”
Well yeah that’s normal practise, of course BOB had inside knowledge of events in their space along with every other major alliance. When a large role-play event is being set into motion CEO’s and leaders of alliance’s who it effects are informed before hand. Imagine the uproar if the NPC’s suddenly without any warning invaded your alliance space and they did it with massive ships bigger then anything players can get.
Before players had carriers or Titans both used to wonder around via NPC events controlled by people some NPC’s (controlled by people) invaded BOBS system full force and the BOB leaders would have had insider info beforehand to arrange for the pilots to be around for the event. The average pilot didn’t know but the leaders would have. That’s how large events are ran. Large events like the Titan chase before players had Titans would have been pre planed with certain players/corps asked to be in certain areas at a set time.
You mean just like the private messages from an RKK member to another that said "Come work where I do, at CCP!" ?
Or the private messages between Grand Master Emo DBP to another RKK member saying "I'll give you $200 for your account."
How is that misleading?
Or the private messages between Grand Master Emo DBP to another RKK member saying "I'll give you $200 for your account."
How is that misleading?
well i dont play this game (well i played in the beta a little)
but regardless of what the character is of the person who has accused CCP
what does it say about the nature of the company that their attitude is this:
^^ to me that strongly gives the impression that in future all eve developers have to be extremely careful not to give away their identity in their corporations but to continue with what they are doing with all their extra knowledge and powers befitting a developer/gm (as opposed to just a player)
Basically they seem more concerned with the fact that the dev was caught rather than if he was cheating. Make of that what you will.
Also this Kugutsumen is apparently banned for revealing RL personal information about the cheater. So if Eve were really all about upholding their policies fairly, why didnt they ban this Sir Molle (BoB leader) fellow as well for revealing Kugutsumen's personal information?
but regardless of what the character is of the person who has accused CCP
what does it say about the nature of the company that their attitude is this:
^^ to me that strongly gives the impression that in future all eve developers have to be extremely careful not to give away their identity in their corporations but to continue with what they are doing with all their extra knowledge and powers befitting a developer/gm (as opposed to just a player)
Basically they seem more concerned with the fact that the dev was caught rather than if he was cheating. Make of that what you will.
Also this Kugutsumen is apparently banned for revealing RL personal information about the cheater. So if Eve were really all about upholding their policies fairly, why didnt they ban this Sir Molle (BoB leader) fellow as well for revealing Kugutsumen's personal information?
“Originally Posted by Dj_Jestar
You mean just like the private messages from an RKK member to another that said "Come work where I do, at CCP!" ?
Or the private messages between Grand Master Emo DBP to another RKK member saying "I'll give you $200 for your account."
How is that misleading?“
First how do you know those private messages are real and not made up or edited by Kugutsumen? Can your really trust someone with a bad a reputation as Kugutsumen?
I never said everything was made up either, clearly there was some truth in there but it was truth mixed with misleading statements and lies which has made this sound much worse then it is. Only a handful of RRK members know about this and when the CEO found out the Dev got kicked out the corp long before anything came to light about the cheating. That to me looks like Bob did no wrong and shouldn’t be blamed for this.
As far as I can tell out of everything Kugutsumen said only 1 thing turned out to be true and even that wasnt 100% right as there where less T2 blueprints then Kugutsumen said. Everything else was proven wrong or we have no way to know if it really happened. But if some of what he said has been proven to be false we cannot take everything he says to be true.
“ Originally Posted by Surfer
Also this Kugutsumen is apparently banned for revealing RL personal information about the cheater.”
The difference is Kugutsumen got the personal information via illegally hacking. Public personal information is ok. It’s the means that you get the personal information that makes it ok or not.
You mean just like the private messages from an RKK member to another that said "Come work where I do, at CCP!" ?
Or the private messages between Grand Master Emo DBP to another RKK member saying "I'll give you $200 for your account."
How is that misleading?“
First how do you know those private messages are real and not made up or edited by Kugutsumen? Can your really trust someone with a bad a reputation as Kugutsumen?
I never said everything was made up either, clearly there was some truth in there but it was truth mixed with misleading statements and lies which has made this sound much worse then it is. Only a handful of RRK members know about this and when the CEO found out the Dev got kicked out the corp long before anything came to light about the cheating. That to me looks like Bob did no wrong and shouldn’t be blamed for this.
As far as I can tell out of everything Kugutsumen said only 1 thing turned out to be true and even that wasnt 100% right as there where less T2 blueprints then Kugutsumen said. Everything else was proven wrong or we have no way to know if it really happened. But if some of what he said has been proven to be false we cannot take everything he says to be true.
“ Originally Posted by Surfer
Also this Kugutsumen is apparently banned for revealing RL personal information about the cheater.”
The difference is Kugutsumen got the personal information via illegally hacking. Public personal information is ok. It’s the means that you get the personal information that makes it ok or not.