Expectations of child services

Dont have children in your late 50s would be a good start.

Also, imagine still believing in some omnipotent god after hearing about this, how do they square this away.... "ah its ok little Bronson had to go through that cos he'll get a good time in heaven"
 
Man was estimated to have died not before 29th December.

Police first made aware on 2nd Jan

Would a child last even 5 days without water? He was likely dead by then, sadly.

A two year old would be lucky to last 3 days in such circumstances and was likely already dead when the social worker first knocked on the 2nd.



Surely this one is the police’s fault? They were contacted repeatedly and did not check when CS couldn’t get in.

It's not at all clear that this is the Police fault. As other have pointed out they can't just smash down doors every time social services don't get an answer at a door or on the phone.

Section 17 of PACE covers the scenarios in which police can force entry https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/section/17

In gives police the, legal, power to enter and search premises without a warrant (and to force entry if required) in order to arrest persons or to save life, limb or property.



Police officers don't possess some magical powers to see through walls. If social services have attended an address and don't get an answer then the police have to consider the circumstances and judge as to whether to deploy or not.

Because what's the point in sending police officers just to knock on, look through the windows and letterbox and knock on at the neighbours to see if they know anything when social services are already at the address and can do all that themselves (legally).




If you are sending police to an address its on a fairly strong assumption that they wont be leaving there until they have ascertained the whereabouts of the person(s) sought or they will be putting in the door in to check the address before they leave.



Now flip this around and consider it was in the few days after the festive period when people go away (sometime spontaneously) and stay with friends more than they might do otherwise in the year.

A lot of people would be quite annoyed if the police smashed there front door because they missed an appointment and were out of contact for a bit.

Pretty sure there are other times as well.

They broke into a blokes house on my parents street when he went on holiday and turned half the streets water off.
They broke the door down so united utilities could turn the water back on.

As above S17 PACE covers damage to property so police can use this power to force entry to sort out a serious water or gas leak that could cause serious damage to the property concerned or neighbouring properties.


The exact wording is (for the purposes) "of saving life or limb or preventing serious damage to property."

There would normally be quite obvious objective grounds for this like water coming through the ceiling of a flat or out of the doors of an address.
 
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This could have happened to any single parent, I don't think the social services or police element is at all relevant here. Social services can't monitor every single parent in the country to make sure they are still alive every day.

It's different for different family structures of course but for me 3 days of radio silence is nothing. When you have shared custody of your kids the last thing you want to do is be checking in with your ex every day.
 
I don't really see why social services are catching all the flak... they can't just go round breaking doors down if they don't get an answer, and neither can the police unless they actually have a good reason.

This was tragic, but I just don't really see what people want social services to do. They logged it, made some enquiries, let the police know...

The mum has some gall doing interviews with the sun
Bronson’s mother Sarah Piesse, 43, told The Sun: “If social services had done their job, Bronson would still be alive. But they didn’t do anything. I can’t believe it. They can’t let them get away with this. We have to be able to rely on social workers to keep our children safe.”
Why is it social services' job to check on children every couple of days and not the parent's? Social workers are already incredibly busy.
 
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Heart-breaking. I had these thoughts when my little one was very young and it was just me for the weekend. What if I fall down the stairs or similar, who would know etc. Support networks are so important.
 
This could have happened to any single parent, I don't think the social services or police element is at all relevant here. Social services can't monitor every single parent in the country to make sure they are still alive every day.

It's different for different family structures of course but for me 3 days of radio silence is nothing. When you have shared custody of your kids the last thing you want to do is be checking in with your ex every day.

How old are your kids, does your partner have serious health issues and no support network around her that would pick up on any issues?

If this was even a 4-5 year old they would almost certainly have been fine and able to raise the alarm. This was a 2 year old. The mum didn't, by all accounts check on the boy for weeks. Nothing about this is normal or OK for any parent that loves and cares for their children.
 
How old are your kids, does your partner have serious health issues and no support network around her that would pick up on any issues?

If this was even a 4-5 year old they would almost certainly have been fine and able to raise the alarm. This was a 2 year old. The mum didn't, by all accounts check on the boy for weeks. Nothing about this is normal or OK for any parent that loves and cares for their children.

That was exactly how I thought. If only the kid had been maybe a year older he would have survived. My son is 4 and is more than capable of raiding the fridge, turning water on etc.

In the end I think it is just one of those tragic things.

As a parent you do worry immensely in those first formative years as it is very easy for a child to die. Be it cot death, drowning in the bath, choking etc. The list is endless. They need watching over constantly and as a single parent it cannot be easy.
 
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You'd think the mother is only lashing out at social services as she feels guilt about her actions at the time but I don't think she's the type to blame herself.
 
This is an absolute tragedy.

Cannot imagine the pain, loneliness and sadness at dying of starvation alone. Let alone when you are only two years old and helpless.

Properly awful stuff.

Finger pointing won’t bring that little boy back.
 
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