F1 2014 regs

But back in those days you could be on pole by 2 seconds and win the race after lapping the whole field. If people got pee'd off watching the RBRs being consistently a few tenths faster than everyone else, how will they feel watching someone rock off into the distance all the time because their engine is better?

Well, that did happen. But not because of engines necessarily. The McLaren MP4/4 dominated not just because of the engine (though it helped that Honda carried on developing the turbo motor for the final year of eligibility when nearly all the other engine manufacturers switched their attention to next season's 3.5l N/A formula) but because the chassis, engine, and driving in combination were so far in advance of the field that it was ridiculous. The Williams FW14B and 15C were so much faster than the other cars because of electronics, not engines (Ligier had the same Renault V10, and were nothing special).

Your idea that things would all balance out and the strengths and weaknesses would mean a close battle is in reality very very unlikely.

Who said anything about a close battle? And why does it need to be close?

Seriously. Provided that the best team and driver wins, does it have to be a close battle to be great? This year, we saw a reasonably close contest, but arguably saw the second best car and maybe third best driver take the title and it was about as fun to watch at times as cancer.

And thats before you get to costs. The manufacturers are complaining about the cost of building an almost spec engine. How would you convince them to join a formula with an unlimited expectation on engine budgets? Remember that all the manufacturers left a few years back because costs got out of control and they weren't seeing benifits, and that was with spec engines.

Yes, they weren't seeing any benefit! Because it was a spec engine! Everyone had to build a 3 litre V10, and later a 2.4 litre V8! They couldn't develop anything remotely relevant to their road cars, so got out. It was dead money, which made it obscenely expensive. Having some real world relevance negates part of (indeed, much of, especially if you're able to sell the engine to other teams as well) the costs of developing new engines.

An engine manufacturer sinking £££s into 'developing' an engine that is locked down in terms of layout to something that they just don't ordinarily build doesn't work. The loss of Toyota, BMW, Honda etc proves that. With the new engine formula coming up there was a golden opportunity to entice engine manufacturers back to the sport....and the FIA blew it, big time.
 
So what happens then if the Renault engine is 40 HP down on Mercedes and all the Renault powered teams are struggling to even get in the points and Red Bull turn round and want Mercedes engines? Renault then start asking for Mercedes to be reigned in or the rules for them to be relaxed. Tough you say? Renault then announce they're leaving F1 in 2015 then you have a very real problem. Sounds great but a potential minefield it is.

Nonsense. It happens in other forms of racing. They manage to make it work.

In any case Renault were down on power before the last engine freeze anyway, and were allowed to catch-up.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't really see your side of the argument.
 
From BBC

Then, on Wednesday, F1's governing body the FIA put out a statement saying: "Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing drag and downforce for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification."

Was this another change of tack? Was the much-vaunted 'green' F1 being abandoned? Had Ecclestone quietly won another political battle with FIA president Jean Todt?

Well, no, as it turns out.

The choice of wording was perhaps a touch misleading, but it refers to ongoing attempts to ensure the new rules meet their original targets - which were to ensure the new cars in 2014 are no more than five seconds slower than they were in 2010 as well as being much more efficient.

As the teams began work on the new designs, simulating the car layouts and projected engine performance, it began to become apparent that lap times might well be slower than had been intended.

So teams were tasked with looking independently at what elements of current car design could be maintained without losing sight of the intent of the new rules to produce aerodynamic downforce with as little trade-off in drag as possible.

The FIA's initial intention had been to strip the cars of all the extraneous bits of curved bodywork that have begun to sprout in various parts of the car, on the assumption that these must be inefficient. But as the effect of these parts was investigated, it turned out they were not as pernicious as at first thought.

So, for example, 'turning vanes' - the curved bits of bodywork that sprout behind the front wheels or under the raised noses - are very efficient. That is, they produce downforce but very little drag.

Likewise, the wide front wings that were introduced as part of the last major rule change in 2009 will stay, albeit they will be a little narrower than they are now.

By contrast, some teams were campaigning to keep what is known as the lower rear beam wing - a downforce-producing device at the bottom of the rear wing where it is attached to the back of the car. But this turned out to be very 'draggy', so it will be dropped as planned.

But the key point is this - the main visual and philosophical changes that were planned for the cars in 2014 have been retained.

So how will they look?

The biggest visible change will be at the front - the high noses that have become de rigueur in recent years will be outlawed.

This is fundamentally for safety reasons - high noses are considered more dangerous when they hit another car because of the increased likelihood of driver injury, and also make it more likely that a car will be launched in an impact. But it will also restrict downforce and make the cars slower.

How much lower will the noses be? In 2012, F1 cars had a maximum front nose height of 550mm above the floor of the car. In 2014, that is being reduced to 185mm - a reduction in height of 365mm.

Likewise, although the wide front wings will stay, they will be reduced in overall width from 1800mm (the same as the maximum width of the car) to 1650mm.

This will almost certainly fundamentally alter the overall aerodynamics of the cars.

Airflow over the car stems from the front wing, as the first part to hit the air. Designers are currently focused on using the ends of the wings to turn air around the outside of the front wheels. But in 2014 there will be 7cm of front wheel outside the wing, so getting the air to go around it will be that much more difficult.

This challenge will be made even harder because of new rules restricting what can be done with the front wing end-plates, the vertical bits at the outside edge of the wing.

Less obviously, but also important in the context of the last couple of years, will be a new rule governing exhaust exits.

Using exhaust gases for aerodynamic effect has become a central feature of F1 car design since 2010.

In 2011, so-called exhaust-blown diffusers, where the exhausts pipes were situated on the rear floor of the car and the engine programmed to blow gases out of them at all times, gained the top teams at least a second a lap.

For 2012, these were banned, engine mapping restricted and exhaust outlets moved forwards on the car and higher up. But teams still managed to use the gases to enhance aerodynamics by directing them at the gap between the floor and the rear wheels using what is known as the 'Coanda' effect.

Red Bull's progress in this area in late September was decisive in Sebastian Vettel beating Ferrari's Fernando Alonso to the drivers' championship.

But for 2014 there will be no more 'Coanda' effect - exhausts will have to exit between 3-5cm forward of the centre line of the rear wheels and no more than 25cm from the centre line of the car. From there, it will be impossible to blow them at the edges of the floor.

Equally, the overall efficiency targets will remain the same - whereas now use of fuel is free, it will be metered from 2014. Currently, cars use about 150kg of fuel (about 195 litres) in a Grand Prix; in 2014, they will be allowed to consume no more than 100kg (130l).

In summary then, the revolution is still very much underway; it's just the fine print that has changed.
 
teams were campaigning to keep what is known as the lower rear beam wing...so it will be dropped as planned

so what does this mean for the rear wings? Things more akin to the 70s looking things :p

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Or are they just talking about the monkey seat, or whatever it is called?

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Nothing. Central post, the endplates dangle.

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That's a good point actually. On some cars the end plates go down to the diffuser, but not on all. I imagine they will be attaching the base of the end plates to the chassis another way, as there is no plans for end plates to go. It won't be central mounting posts.
 
I far prefer the "clean" look of the 80s/early 90s cars - they are what I think a racing car should look like. BT52 and the BT55 were stunners, especially in that livery.

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Here's a lovely Barnard Ferrari, just cause I like it. A lot.

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this goes against Andrew Benson's BBC article quite a bit does it not? still front noses 550mm high etc, he said the low noses originally noteed for 2014 were still to be there, but i think those regs say its the same as this year.

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The low noses are still in. As is the removal of the beam wing as far as I know. The wording of the FIA statement was missleading. They are trying to stick to 2012 levels of downforce, rather than specifically to 2012 regulations.
 
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