F1 2014 Rule Changes

I like how all the articles say more power,Mehta they neglect to say is its only more power when they are using Kers, so for most of the lap it's less over.
 
Glaucus said:
I like how all the articles say more power,Mehta they neglect to say is its only more power when they are using Kers, so for most of the lap it's less over.
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Dont they have kers for a silly long amount of time now? I cant remember the exact amount of time, but it should come close to making up the difference. also the reduced drag on the cars should make for better high end accelleration

Changing the subject slightly, I assume DRS is going to stay, but how effective will it be? Does anyone know what the new rules are for rear wing sizes?
 
60kw > 120kw
400kj > 4Mj

So about 5times longer than currently. If they can harvest that much energy every lap, which I don't it.
 
Glaucus said:
60kw > 120kw
400kj > 4Mj

So about 5times longer than currently. If they can harvest that much energy every lap, which I don't it.
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I guess whether they can recover all the energy they need depends on how much the energy can be recovered from all the other devices on the car. i genuinely have no idea how much energy they are likely to recover, but if they struggle to come close to the 4MJ target then that should at least give us some form of innovation, assuming the energy recuperation technology isn't locked down like the engines are
 
They struggle to get 400mj on some race tracks as it is. Where others they have to dial it back as 400kj is to easy to gather.

There's also the heat recovery system to prencharge the turbo or something like that, I haven't heard as much about that so unsure about the fine details.
 
If this is right, it won't be 34seconds a lap, it'll be 17seconds a lap average, as only 2mj per lap can be captured.

This motor-generator unit will be capable of recovering 2MJ (Mega Joules) and delivering 4MJ per lap, which equates to a use for approximately 34 seconds per lap (as opposed to 6.5s/lap in the case of today’s KERS). The MGU-K will be capable of delivering peak power of 120 kilowatts (more than 160 horsepower). This system is known as ERS-K (Energy Recovery System – Kinetic).
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Energy Recovery System - Kinetic is essentially the same as today's KERS, kinetic energy is harvested from the engine during release and stored.
Energy Recovery System- Heat is energy harvested from the exhaust side.

What makes this interesting for engines is that there is flexibility in the rules as to how these two systems interact and are used harvesting and releasing energy. This will mean different manufacturers could choose different strategies to optimize their units and this will lead to very different engine behaviors. ERS-H will charge the batteries but it will also be able to spool the turbo and finding the sweet spot in that given rule box will be crucial.
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Can't seem to find is 2MJ per lap a rule or just what Renault or someone else expects the maximum recovery to be.
 
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hopefully its what people expect it to be because that would open the doors up for innovation and it would also make the strategy for using kers very interesting
 
Right, nope 2mj is what they can recover, 4mj is what they can deliver.

Jsut been through the technical regulations, nice little diagram, hold on will dig out laptop and get a screen shot.

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edit - oh wait, the heat recovery side seems to be unlimited, recovery.
#will go have a look through the wording, see if its any clearer.
 
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The 2014 regs were always going to through up some really interesting possibilities. There's no doubt in my mind that 2014 will see one team absolutely dominate the Championship, tempered only by mechanical failures.

Giving over 30 seconds of electric boost per lap but not being able to recover that same amount per lap, or even two laps, is going to push tactics to the extreme once you add in tyres than can only last short stints. Overtakes can almost be planned a couple of laps in advance.

Providing the visual spectacle of racing isn't affected by this I don't really have a problem. The new rules will absolutely drive F1 innovation in power management for the first time in many year. But if it results in a visual 'meh', with managed processions and then sparked overtakes, it will not be satisfactory.

I'm not too bothered about the 2013 tyre situation (other than safety) but I do worry that if the current tyre management needs are overlaid onto 2014 energy regulations, one team will just get it right and will completely dominate for the season.
 
well the rest of the regulations on ERS-H & ERS-K just say see figure.

So I read that as can recover a maximum of 2MJper lap with ERS-K (through brakes)
and unlimited through Heat, heat can be split between helping spool the turbo or on kers, by the looks of it.
 
As a brief interjection, I think it is worth mentioning that tickets for 2014 Monaco went on sale today (Bookf1.com).

I loved seeing Monaco this year, but I'm holding out for New Jersey in 2014. If that doesn't work, then Singapore it will be!
 
The_Abyss said:
As a brief interjection, I think it is worth mentioning that tickets for 2014 Monaco went on sale today (Bookf1.com).

I loved seeing Monaco this year, but I'm holding out for New Jersey in 2014. If that doesn't work, then Singapore it will be!
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Another year I can't afford it, I am however hopefully the London F-E will be cheap.
 
If you can sort accommodation then Singapore is surprisingly decent value compared with other venues (you have to know where to go though). Flights really don't vary too much.

I love the race at Silverstone, but it is low on the list of GP's I'd want to visit, despite living in the UK.

Having said that, I'm going to the Young Drivers test on Friday 19/7, but it should be relatively quiet then.
 
Ferrari has admitted it is worried grands prix could be half-baked in 2014, as the radical new turbo V6 era dawns in formula one.

One potential problem with the sport's revolutionary shakeup, according to Ferrari's engine boss Luca Marmorini, is that reliability early next year could be poor.

He said designers and engineers will be grappling with the 1000 degree temperatures caused by the turbos, which is not "an easy matter to deal with".

On top of that, the new rules limit each driver to just 5 engines for the whole season, down from 8 at present.

"It will be difficult to run the season without issues," said Marmorini, "considering we are talking about four to five thousand kilometres per unit which is almost double what we are doing right now."

Even more of a worry, he added, is the new rule limiting cars to just 100kg of fuel per race, which could force drivers to save fuel whilst battling for position.

"Ferrari feels this could be a danger," said Marmorini.

"We like formula one to consider efficiency, but we don't like formula one to be a sport where you are cruising for 50 per cent of the laps."
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Good, I like the unpredictability of the unreliability. It shows technology is being pushed to the limit, this low breakdown era sucks. Along with other stupid rules, like two tyre compund and restricted KERS use.
 
Glaucus said:
Good, I like the unpredictability of the unreliability. It shows technology is being pushed to the limit, this low breakdown era sucks. Along with other stupid rules, like two tyre compund and restricted KERS use.
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Agreed, but I also agree with Ferrari regarding the low fuel limits - could lead to half baked racing.
 
Audi and Toyota manage to recover enough energy to use in most acceleration zones at Le Mans, plus drive down the pitlane on electric power. The F1 engines should get a lot of energy from the turbo.
 
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