F1 2021 engines

Nasher said:
Well now that you mention it. I was considering buying a 1 seater, open wheeled, carbon fibre, 700hp car for my daily commute...
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With a small capacity turbo charged engine, possibly even with hybrid power and batteries that is possibly made by a team racing in F1, has a seat, steering wheel and four wheels?

F1 is so expensive for manufacturers these days that they need some R&D to fall back on and to appease the board, some of which may only have sanctioned F1 by two or three votes. Sure if the sport was much cheaper then we could consider going to a cheaper engine, but I suspect the manufacturers would still want something technologically advanced so they can do at least some R&D while racing.
 
Nasher said:
Well now that you mention it. I was considering buying a 1 seater, open wheeled, carbon fibre, 700hp car for my daily commute...
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Oh of course, yes, that's the only way an F1 car could be relevant to a road car... Nothing to do with road cars moving in the direction of hybrid small capacity turbo engines and what do F1 cars have? Oh yes, hybrid small capacity turbo engines
 
MissChief said:
With a small capacity turbo charged engine, possibly even with hybrid power and batteries that is possibly made by a team racing in F1, has a seat, steering wheel and four wheels?

F1 is so expensive for manufacturers these days that they need some R&D to fall back on and to appease the board, some of which may only have sanctioned F1 by two or three votes. Sure if the sport was much cheaper then we could consider going to a cheaper engine, but I suspect the manufacturers would still want something technologically advanced so they can do at least some R&D while racing.
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The batteries they use are rubbish. Now if the used LiFePO4, that's another matter.
 
I seriously hope they don’t remove the hybrid technology, just to cut costs.

Love it or hate it, the current 1.6 engines are a masterpiece in technology. What they’ve managed to achieve from such a small displacement (albeit with turbos) is amazing and to rip all that out would be a major disappointment and push F1 even further away from being the “pinnacle of motorsport”.

Do we want to have a boggo V6/v8 or some crazy turbocharged helium filled megathrust rocket? I’d rather they got crazier with the tech if it means faster lap times. What the FIA fail to see every time they do these reviews is that the aero is what kills the racing and the wealthiest teams would just as soon spend £30M on a new front wing if they weren’t allowed to spend it on an engine upgrade.
 
Costs just need to be lowered / controlled better. At the moment the smallest teams are unable to compete. That shouldn't' mean that they have an equal chance of winning each week, but they need some chance on their day. When was the last win outside Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren or Red Bull? Maldonado's Williams? Vettel's Toro Rosso?
 
Specifically regarding the engines what I want is for them to have much less in the way of control over mapping. We've basically got traction control at the moment, such is the smoothness of power delivery, which really shouldn't be the case for the engine with the most torque in the history of F1.

I'm not especially bothered by the complexity and cost of them. I mean, I am, but I also know the sport will likely die if we change it. Mercedes, Renault and Honda will all withdraw and Ferrari are threatening to (despite them not wanting the V6 in the first place!).

At some point in the next decade, and more likely sooner than later, I expect we'll have a 2-tier system like the 80s again. Probably with more balance than then, but with a lower-cost option made available to teams from the likes of Cosworth or even Aston Martin (given their relatively small size I'm not sure AMR are considering F1 at all - I think it's just as likely that it's Red Bull clamouring and using AM as a partner to get more weight behind it).
 
The_Abyss said:
Costs just need to be lowered / controlled better. At the moment the smallest teams are unable to compete. That shouldn't' mean that they have an equal chance of winning each week, but they need some chance on their day. When was the last win outside Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren or Red Bull? Maldonado's Williams? Vettel's Toro Rosso?
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Lotus at Melbourne in 2013.
 
Converging costs doesn't mean prices will go down, not when there are so many separate elements to the whole power unit and not while there's still significant disparity. I think the point that Brawn was making that a simpler engine will bring parity more quickly and cheaply, and encourage new entrants in to the sport.

My point still remains though: the ability of a small team being able to compete for race wins is currently virtually zero, as the stats above show. Fewer than 1% chance, and I don't think there'd be many willing to argue that in today's formula the smaller teams have a greater opportunity to gain a race win than ten years ago. I completely get the point that F1 has never had equality over the field, and that there have been some truly shocking teams in the past. The gap between front and back today might only be 3 seconds a lap, and that may be smaller than in the past, but the gulf it represents has never been bigger in an era where everything's simulated to the nth degree. Nobody can do anything 'radical' any longer, as every possible permutation has been simulated before the race and is constantly re-evaluated during the race.

Last season there was little point in half the teams on the grid being on the same race as the other. They may as well have had two separate races. The only meaningful contribution the lower half of the field made relative to the top half were some blue flags and Vettel's annoyance over the radio.
 
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