F1: Hungary

Nismo · 6 Aug 2006 at 17:29

Platinum Pete said:
No offence but i dont think you can comment negatively on Jensons achievement without having seen it.

Don't worry, he does that sort of thing regularly

Really happy for Jenson, all races should be run on a wet track from now on. More happening today than the rest of the season combined

hominid · 6 Aug 2006 at 17:35

Vertigo1 said:
With regards to Schmacher's penalty, I hadn't actually seen the footage until today. Now I have it's blatantly obvious that Alonso deliberately hit the brakes so that Schumacher would inadvertently pass. Disgusting behaviour tbh and certainly qualifies as "cheating" to the same extent as Rascasse-gate, IMO.

Regardless, there's no way Schmachers coasting past the other cars during the red flags can be compared to Alonso brake-testing Dornbos.

Yeah it was a bit rude of Alonso to slow down to such a degree, but they were on the second-to-last corner and no-one forced Schumacher to go round the outside of them both - he saved himself five seconds at most by that move.

Having said that, Jenson was helped with conditions and won that race, i thought, on outright merrit today. With all of the mistakes that others did and Jenson keeping his cool - he deserved the win.

Duke · 6 Aug 2006 at 18:06

PsiFox · 6 Aug 2006 at 18:12

Remember the famous quote

"To finish first, first, you must finish"

dirtydog · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:02

Nismo said:
Don't worry, he does that sort of thing regularly

No, it's because I know enough about F1 to understand that for Button to have won, something must have been out of the ordinary in this race

As soon as I saw the headline on the BBC website that he had won, I thought to myself 'I bet the better drivers retired or had problems' and surprise surprise, I was right. Button won't win many, if any races on a level footing with drivers like Alonso and Schumacher, he simply isn't as good as they are.

Over Clocker · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:06

dirtydog said:
No, it's because I know enough about F1 to understand that for Button to have won, something must have been out of the ordinary in this race As soon as I saw the headline on the BBC website that he had won, I thought to myself 'I bet the better drivers retired or had problems' and surprise surprise, I was right. Button won't win many, if any races on a level footing with drivers like Alonso and Schumacher, he simply isn't as good as they are.

Funilly enough I was thinking exactly the same as Nismo.

And no, you were not right. If Alonso and Schumacher did not retire, Button would still have won.

He was way in front of Schumacher, and was hugely faster than Alonso and after Alonso's stop Button was in front anyway.....

He didn't make mistakes, even in the bad conditions. He is such a smooth driver, and if you knew anything about F1 you'd know that.

He won because he didn't make any errors, was very fast, his team made the correct tyre strategy. He overtook Schumacher, was outright faster.

Give credit where credit is due....

Hell, you didn't watch it. Then again, I do remember you for wanting to put down anything British

dirtydog · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:08

Over Clocker said:
Funilly enough I was thinking exactly the same as Nismo.

And no, you were not right. If Alonso and Schumacher did not retire, Button would still have won.

He was way in front of Schumacher, and was hugely faster than Alonso and after Alonso's stop Button was in front anyway.....

Yes, because of the problems they had with tyres and Button's team getting their tyre strategy right due to the changing conditions, no?

Give credit where credit is due....

Precisely what I am doing

Over Clocker · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:09

The Renaults and Hondas both use the same tyres

Wang Computer · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:14

To all the Button nay-sayers. Unlike Schumacher or Alonso (who I believe is vastly overrated (I've heard people comparing him to Senna, which is frankly laughable)), JB has never had the benefit of an all conquering, race winning machine. I'm no fan of his, but until we see the Honda (or whatever he might be driving in the future) considered at least the equal best car in F1, I shall reserve judgement.

He was simply the best driver today, imo.

ShakenNstirred · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:14

robbiemc said:
Oh come on..he won from 14th on the grid in less than ideal conditions.
He was lapping way faster than Schuie and would surely have beaten Alonso based on how fast he was catching.. I can't believe theres people taking away a brilliant achievement.

here here.
alonso wouldnt have stay in front of button for long the way button was driving

Duke · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:36

Kimi A'hoy!

mrgubby · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:39

Duke said:
Kimi A'hoy!

now that's what I call overtaking

robbiemc · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:42

dirtydog said:
Yes, because of the problems they had with tyres and Button's team getting their tyre strategy right due to the changing conditions, no?

F1 is team sport, right? So with your (frankly baffling) contribution to this thread, NO driver would get your 'approval'.
The TEAM got everything right on the day, fronting that was a brilliant drive through horribly changing conditions to produce an excellent win.

Why are you even contributing to this thread anyway? You didn't see the race and you appear to just want to dampen everyones enthusiasm for what was a brilliant race and a fantastic win for a Brit.

Maybe you should watch the highlights if you can stop being a grumpy old man , then you might just see what we're all on about.

dirtydog · 6 Aug 2006 at 19:59

I was just reading about the race on another forum. Is it true that Alonso was 54 seconds ahead of Button before the safety car came out?

Oh and I see plenty echoing my comments about Button and his win.

Kol · 6 Aug 2006 at 20:02

A time which he was eating into? After the final round of pit stops, Button was ahead of Alonso... and before the pit stops was eating him up at 2 seconds a lap. The safety came out quite early into the race, so even if the safety car hadn't come out, he would have easily eaten into the lead he had. Also, when the safety car pulled in, the backmarkers were hesitant to let Button pass, which delayed him somewhat.

I'm a hardened Renault/Alonso fan, but Button was superior to both of Renaults drivers today. Seriously, watch it. You will then see and then you can take part in an informed discussion

dirtydog · 6 Aug 2006 at 20:05

Maybe I will just watch the next race to see and judge whether this win was a flash in the pan. I think we all know that it was, and was a freak result due to unique circumstances but if he wins more races this year I will take it back

If anyone infers that I don't like Button then it is true. I think he is greatly overhyped and I don't like the way he treated BAR when he went to Williams, or the way he treated Williams when he wanted to return to BAR/Honda.

Kol · 6 Aug 2006 at 20:09

dirtydog said:
Maybe I will just watch the next race to see and judge whether this win was a flash in the pan. I think we all know that it was, and was a freak result due to unique circumstances but if he wins more races this year I will take it back

Yes, but today - he had the all round package which won him the race and ultimately, that is what wins the race. No one is expecting him to win race upon race, but the fact ishe deserved to win and quite rightly won. The Renaults and Ferraris were unable to match his pace. It wasn't just down to tyres because Renault were running the exact same Michelin tyres.

If Renault and Ferrari had stayed in, he would have still won and that is fact. He had the outright pace.

Over Clocker · 6 Aug 2006 at 20:12

dirtydog said:
Maybe I will just watch the next race to see and judge whether this win was a flash in the pan. I think we all know that it was, and was a freak result due to unique circumstances but if he wins more races this year I will take it back

If anyone infers that I don't like Button then it is true. I think he is greatly overhyped and I don't like the way he treated BAR when he went to Williams, or the way he treated Williams when he wanted to return to BAR/Honda.

You are really not listning are you?

All people are saying is that total, watching the race, Button drove better than both Alonso and Schumacher.

Duke · 6 Aug 2006 at 20:18

Hardly a freak result. That was Hill winning in the Jordan after 95% of the field dropped off in the rain

Honda just got it right for once. They could have won many races by now if they judged like they did today.

JRS · 6 Aug 2006 at 20:19

dirtydog said:
Maybe I will just watch the next race to see and judge whether this win was a flash in the pan. I think we all know that it was, and was a freak result due to unique circumstances but if he wins more races this year I will take it back

Well, that's two races where Honda's reliability has been much better. The car was never all that short on speed, it just didn't last long enough to run at full chat for a race distance. The guy isn't short on talent, but his car has been nowhere near good enough for a race win.

Five races left this season - even if he doesn't win another race in 2006, he certainly will win some next year provided Honda can give him a car that is up to the task. Lets face it - today, everything went his way. Call it luck if you like, I believe that you make your own luck. He drove superbly, when everyone else was on the ragged edge he just kept flowing smoothly round the circuit at a devastating pace. Had Alonso kept his car in one piece Button would probably still have won, he was that much quicker.

I knew this would happen. Typical situation when a Brit actually wins something - people start wittering about how it was a fluke, didn't deserve it, just a flash in the pan.....Somehow, Mansell managed to escape the worst of it, but he was still lauded far more in Italy as a former Ferrari driver than he was as a World Champion in this country.