F1: Is the safety car sytem seriously flawed/unfair?

People build legitimate strategy over the likelihood of a Safety Car. It's an unpredictable part of racing, and If you take out all those variables you may as well be playing Scalextric.

What car is it, btw? A mercedes of some form?
 
People build legitimate strategy over the likelihood of a Safety Car. It's an unpredictable part of racing, and If you take out all those variables you may as well be playing Scalextric.

What car is it, btw? A mercedes of some form?

Mercedes SLS
 
Why this debate? Just because ferrari have been shafted in a couple of races? Its a saftey measure and should be there to help the stweards clear the track.

Nope not a Ferrari fan just think the current system needs improving, it's a bit silly how a driver can give everything and be screwed by the safety car and vice versa.

Especially as it now comes out practically every other race and for sometimes over-precautious reasons such a little bit of debris.
 
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Nope not a Ferrari fan just think the current system needs improving, it's a bit silly how a driver can give everything and be screwed by the safety car and vice versa.

Especially as it now comes out practically every other race and for sometimes over-precautious reasons such a little bit of debris.

A little bit of debris can cause an accident.
 
what if Hamilton (who should really be several seconds behind) had overtook Webber and won the race by a car length? is it fair?

what if webbers wheel came off on the home straight ?

what if webber was hit by a flying wheel that had come off another car ?

what if webber was hit by a bird that smashed his visor and made him crash in the home straight on the last lap ?

F1 isnt fair. Its not designed to be fair. There HAS to be a certain element of luck, you cant remove that.
 
Nope not a Ferrari fan just think the current system needs improving, it's a bit silly how a driver can give everything and be screwed by the safety car and vice versa.

Especially as it now comes out practically every other race and for sometimes over-precautious reasons such a little bit of debris.
1) Alonso got screwed because Alonso/Ferrari was too dumb to let him give the position back right away.

2) Even a little debris can be dangerous, just look at what happened to Massa last year.
 
The Safety Car has always causes a shake up of positions, the only thing I think they can re-introduce is for back markers to be allowed by. At the end of the day it is all about safety, so some drivers will always lose or gain.
 
The safety car has ruined many many races, and the amount of dangerous accidents hasn't in any way lessened because of it, so I can't see the point.

As for bunching up the cars to allow time to clear the track thats the smaller reason, its actually pretty safe to be out on the track with cars going past, if they are going pretty slowly and safely, when they burn around a corner at 180mph, the cars on the limit and a tiny tiny mistake and that car could go anywhere and anyone on the track or near it is in major danger. IF that same car is doing 40mph, the tyres aren't on the limit, the car, the driver, the engine, nothing is, the chance of someone making a massive mistake at 40mph that will cause them to slide around the track dangerously is almost non existant. A lock of everyone to a certain speed limit would maintain the time differences between cars, and ruin a heck of a lot less races, with 99% of the same safety as with a car that ruins entire races.

Not that I'm a fan of Alonso, but he was absolutely screwed, his own fault, I said instantly that if he conceded the space, something seemed very wrong with Kubica's car, he'd get back past within a few corners and he could go on. But the penalty without a safety car would have been far far less harsh, for a very minor infraction. Its really incredibly stupid though a pretty rare case, had they known there was going to be a safety car, wouldn't giving up one space have been pretty fair, yet they couldn't know it would happen.

Safety cars have largely ruined F1, as any given race could be completely pointless, not a fan of a lot of other little rules, have to use specific tyres, the further up the grid you qualify the more ridiculous rules screw the top drivers, etc, etc.

What F1 desparately needs is either very little regulation on the back wing/diffuser, or incredibly specific regulation, not this half arsed attempt every year to stunt downforce, with 2-3 teams finding a workaround/loophole that actually causes more downforce and even more air flow disruption making overtaking a joke.

Unless a Vettel gets a puncture, theres normally very little overtaking going on these days.

Safety cars is my biggest pet peeve though, completely changed the outcome of far too many races. It should be drivers, and racing that effect the outcome, strategy aswell, not someone elses mistake being bad enough to bring a safety car out.
 
I quite like a safety car.

Yes, it's annoying when the driver you support has his lead destroyed, but at the same time it can make a race more exciting as the bunched up drivers are back fighting for position.

Races where the leader is 25 seconds up the road, and 7th, 8th and 9th is the only fight on the track is pretty boring in my book.
 
F1 isnt fair. Its not designed to be fair. There HAS to be a certain element of luck, you cant remove that.

Totally agree. In fact this rule applies to many sports. Look what happened in the World Cup to England...a goal was disallowed because the referee didnt see the ball cross the line. The players could see the ball cross the line, billions of people around the world could see it crossed the line, yet the 1 person who should've seen it, didnt.

Many sports involve a heavy dose of luck. One way to look at it is that over the course of a full season, the "luck" evens itself out between all drivers/teams.
 
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