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Looks like it restricts vision a lot to me..
F1 Testing 2016: Week 2 Barcelona (1st - 4th)
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No it wouldnt. The part hit him straight on the upper right visor from a bouncing velocity. Could easily get thru that halo since theres barely anything to... get through!
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Wonder how it affects the aero, if at all?
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So...
It doesn't stop debris flying in
It doesn't stop debris flying on top of the helmet
It doesn't stop anything from getting in through the sides
It's 5kg therefore making the cars slower
It will have an adverse affect on aero
It's ugly as cow****.
What exactly then is the freakin' point of this?
It doesn't stop debris flying in
It doesn't stop debris flying on top of the helmet
It doesn't stop anything from getting in through the sides
It's 5kg therefore making the cars slower
It will have an adverse affect on aero
It's ugly as cow****.
What exactly then is the freakin' point of this?
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I'll go against the grain and say if it has a chance of improving safety, go for it. It's ugly as heck, but so were the zillion wings on the cars pre-2009 and the initial front wings post-2008. We'll get used to it.
It would have likely saved the life of Henry Surtees and it would likely have saved the life of Ayrton Senna. That those freak events are so rare doesn't make it any less valid - another one could happen today or in 40 years time.
Drivers visions will be compromised to a degree, but they're only looking head on down a straight, and they've got two eyes either side of it, so it shouldn't effect vision at all really - it's really, really thin at eye level.
If it saves a single life it's worth it.
It would be better if it could be made out of a thick, transparent material of some kind to make it less visible, but I there's no way of doing that without compromising its strength.
Which is why they're planning to implement a screen for 2018 or something ("at a later date" anyway).
It would have likely saved the life of Henry Surtees and it would likely have saved the life of Ayrton Senna. That those freak events are so rare doesn't make it any less valid - another one could happen today or in 40 years time.
Drivers visions will be compromised to a degree, but they're only looking head on down a straight, and they've got two eyes either side of it, so it shouldn't effect vision at all really - it's really, really thin at eye level.
If it saves a single life it's worth it.
It would be better if it could be made out of a thick, transparent material of some kind to make it less visible, but I there's no way of doing that without compromising its strength.
Which is why they're planning to implement a screen for 2018 or something ("at a later date" anyway).
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Nope.
"kinetic energies of common projectiles"
.44 Magnum handgun: 1,510 joules
The spring that hit Massa (800 grams at 160 mph): 2,046 joules
That Halo won't stop anything other then a fly. Another nail in the F1 coffin.
Hmm in that case if this really doesn't protect from anything other than a loose wheel then yeah they are better off just going full fighter jet style cockpit
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But then you have a problem if the car over turns or comes off during a race. And what about window wipers
Rosberg, 38
Alonso, 35
Kvyat, 29
Nasr, 26
Hulkenberg, 24
Verstappen, 23
Palmer, 20
Grosjean, 11
Raikkonen, 8
Wehrlein, 7
Massa, 1
That doesn't sound like a useful comparison. 1500 joules may be less but that's impacting through a tipped 11mm projectile. The spring that hit Massa was about the size of a fist. Sure, it could still pass through one of the holes, but if it hit the halo it would have stopped that injury.
That said, I hate it already. I can't believe that drivers would want that obscuring their vision and it looks terrible. All of the collisions will now just be explained by "well I couldn't see him clearly"..
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The wheel that killed Henry Surtees (an estimated 12 kg at 120 mph): 17,267 joules
Is that better. I doubt that halo could withstand a small sledge hammer swung by a person.
The 3 notable injuries and deaths in FIA single seaters over recent years (apologies if I have missed any) are Massa being hit by a spring, Bianchi suffering massive deceleration forces following impact with a static vehicle, and Surtees being struck on the top of his head by a lose wheel.
That halo would not have stopped any of those 3 incidents.
That halo would not have stopped any of those 3 incidents.
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I would be utterly staggered if it couldn't. I'd guess a transparent plastic derivative could probably withstand a sledgehammer if designed correctly, so the cutting edge in composite technology isn't going to have too hard a time.
Check out the pictures linked by Twirlywoos in the Motorsport Off Topic thread - it won't hamper visibility at all (well, maybe of the lights at the start, which I fully expect will happen at some point given the cluster**** decisions at the moment).
If Kimi is OK with it it's got to be fine.
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Looking good! Nico's latest effort lifts him to P1 with 1:24.230 as we approach the two and a half hour mark! #FeelTheForce (on softs)
Kimi then does a 1:23.591 on softs lol
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Looking good! Nico's latest effort lifts him to P1 with 1:24.230 as we approach the two and a half hour mark! #FeelTheForce (on softs)
Kimi then does a 1:23.591 on softs lol
Not really, you've just provided a larger energy value and used a bold font. You could have gone higher according to Wiki, which suggests 60,000J. Surely though you appreciate that kinetic energy isn't the only factor in collisions like these.
The only one it definitely wouldn't have helped is Jules', it probably would have made it worse. In the other two I'm not so sure. A halo certainly would dissipate/deflect a significant force.
Surtees was struck directly on the top of his head by a wheel traveling downwards. That halo has a large enough area open above the drivers head to easily allow a wheel to stil impact the drivers head from above.
The halo seems designed solely to stop frontal impacts from large objects (tyres), which is a situation that we haven't see. Once again the FIA seem to be trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, while not solving the ones that do.