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Is that Glamis Wood heading for the castle, or coming back?
Fascinating new theory for Nazca Lines
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Is that Glamis Wood heading for the castle, or coming back?
Associate
Spot on, dude.
A bit like looking a this and thinking how the hell is that 2 meter lump of art stone hanging in mid air.
But if you know how to do it, its simple.
You can't say it's "better" w/out knowing what the purpose of the Giza ones are or how well they filled that purpose. THey certainly weren't gaudy hotels so comparing them is a bit pointless anyway.
Man of Honour
@seth1969
You're churning out all the same stuff I was spouting between the ages of 14 to 20 and quite frankly it is making me embarrassed that I used to do the same.
Like many others I read Chariots of The Gods when it came out and believed every word, read the books that came after and kept spouting this new truth to people.
Around 1978 my Dad said there's a program on BBC tonight you might be interested in about Von Daniken and I couldn't wait.
It wasn't what I expected, it was a hatchet job but taught me so much in that hour.
For instance in his book he talked about the Nazca Lines and how they were a runway for Aliens and even showed the parking bays where they could put their spaceships - in real life the parking bays were part of the spider and the craft would have to be 1 metre diameter
He talked about a mysterious rod in India that never rusted and absolutely nobody knew how it was made so Aliens must have done it - not so, it was made of normal metals we still use to this day.
And so it went on ...............................
I've now learned from watching every episode of Ancient Aliens, every Alien documentary, every book by Hancock, Bauval etc that not to take it seriously and try and do a bit of my own research.
I never regurgitate what I hear such as "Modern man could not shift this" or "Modern man could not make this" etc because I now know different.
I was in the Kings Chamber in the Great Pyramid with a Guide and a bloke was there saying how the perfectly formed the sarcophagus was and it must be done by hi-tech methods we no longer have and another bloke muttered 'Aliens' but my Guide stepped in and told them how it was done over a period of decades using the stuff they had then.
You're churning out all the same stuff I was spouting between the ages of 14 to 20 and quite frankly it is making me embarrassed that I used to do the same.
Like many others I read Chariots of The Gods when it came out and believed every word, read the books that came after and kept spouting this new truth to people.
Around 1978 my Dad said there's a program on BBC tonight you might be interested in about Von Daniken and I couldn't wait.
It wasn't what I expected, it was a hatchet job but taught me so much in that hour.
For instance in his book he talked about the Nazca Lines and how they were a runway for Aliens and even showed the parking bays where they could put their spaceships - in real life the parking bays were part of the spider and the craft would have to be 1 metre diameter
He talked about a mysterious rod in India that never rusted and absolutely nobody knew how it was made so Aliens must have done it - not so, it was made of normal metals we still use to this day.
And so it went on ...............................
I've now learned from watching every episode of Ancient Aliens, every Alien documentary, every book by Hancock, Bauval etc that not to take it seriously and try and do a bit of my own research.
I never regurgitate what I hear such as "Modern man could not shift this" or "Modern man could not make this" etc because I now know different.
I was in the Kings Chamber in the Great Pyramid with a Guide and a bloke was there saying how the perfectly formed the sarcophagus was and it must be done by hi-tech methods we no longer have and another bloke muttered 'Aliens' but my Guide stepped in and told them how it was done over a period of decades using the stuff they had then.
Associate
@seth1969
You're churning out all the same stuff I was spouting between the ages of 14 to 20 and quite frankly it is making me embarrassed that I used to do the same.
Like many others I read Chariots of The Gods when it came out and believed every word, read the books that came after and kept spouting this new truth to people.
Around 1978 my Dad said there's a program on BBC tonight you might be interested in about Von Daniken and I couldn't wait.
It wasn't what I expected, it was a hatchet job but taught me so much in that hour.
For instance in his book he talked about the Nazca Lines and how they were a runway for Aliens and even showed the parking bays where they could put their spaceships - in real life the parking bays were part of the spider and the craft would have to be 1 metre diameter
He talked about a mysterious rod in India that never rusted and absolutely nobody knew how it was made so Aliens must have done it - not so, it was made of normal metals we still use to this day.
And so it went on ...............................
I've now learned from watching every episode of Ancient Aliens, every Alien documentary, every book by Hancock, Bauval etc that not to take it seriously and try and do a bit of my own research.
I never regurgitate what I hear such as "Modern man could not shift this" or "Modern man could not make this" etc because I now know different.
I was in the Kings Chamber in the Great Pyramid with a Guide and a bloke was there saying how the perfectly formed the sarcophagus was and it must be done by hi-tech methods we no longer have and another bloke muttered 'Aliens' but my Guide stepped in and told them how it was done over a period of decades using the stuff they had then.
Have i once mentioned Aliens in my posts, no not once.
I just think the human race lost a lot of knowledge when coming out of the last ice age, or did that not happen in YOUR book?
Man of Honour
Yes it happened in all my books which are being regurgitated in the videos you keep linking, it's not a new theory that we lost knowledge or technology.
The thing is I'm not gullible and I think that 'religion/belief + humans = shifting mountains'.
Associate
For me it was like "human+black micro dot fresh from stonehenge=random crazy fun & no control, or lack off"
Associate
Zahi Hawass+religion=brain rinse
Soldato
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Man of Honour
Identical to us, unless you're going back well past the neolithic, long before recorded history.
They exist. The issue is that there's little call for such skilled work done by hand when it can be done a thousand times faster with modern tools. If you enjoy watching master artisans working without modern equipment, I heartily recommend looking up Guedelon castle. It's a multi-decade project to build a 13th century castle from scratch, using only 13th century knowledge and technology. They started from untouched countryside and are going for a fully functional 13th century castle. Not just the fortified buildings. They have all the other things you'd expect in a castle of that time and for a building site of that time - quarry, cement-maker, iron smelter, smithy, farm, mill, bakery, dyer, ink-maker, weaver, merchants, etc, etc. All done from scratch without any knowledge or technology later than 13th century France apart from a very few safety features such as steel reinforcement on the joints of wooden scaffolding. They have a series of short videos about various aspects of the work.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy9Kti8oDm_wmbU7-yLRfog/videos
Why? Most construction workers weren't masters. You'd have had the range from labourers to masters. There would probably have been a higher proportion of skilled artisans, but only because there had to be especially on smaller projects. On something like the pyramids, the vast majority of the construction workers would have been working simply as labourers, cooks, etc and needn't have had any skill in building work.
I bet if you could travel back in time and watch Egyptians and Romans constructing projects I'm sure there would be more than a few "that's the same thing as is done today, but with more work and skill required". Roman surveyors, for example, used a groma. It's the same basic principle as modern surveying tools, but much less accurate and much harder to use well and much slower.
Soldato
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Whats astonishing about roman tools is how almost identical they are to ours bilhooks or chisels and planes that my grandfather could have picked up and used without a second thought. Wooden cabin that looks just like a shed with a lock and key that looks very one from a century or two ago. Crowbars havn't changed one iota.
Associate
This is the amount of tools i have to have to do high end joinery. Every one now a days seems to want perfection in they homes.
They want it done yesterday, and doing for little money.
Associate
A friend and stone mason invited me to help him build this.
When finished it looks simple, but it was far from it.
Man of Honour
What's your problem with Zahi, is it because he doesn't put up with BS
Associate
He is a crook and got sack for thieving.
Man of Honour
And those are the key points - time and money. Someone in pre-modern times who was equally skilled in the same area of woodworking could do the same work to the same standard, but it wouldn't be done for weeks or months and it would be (taking into account inflation) far more expensive. If the customer wanted it ornate as well, even the type of shaping that's routine today, that would be more time and a lot more expense, maybe requiring another expert woodworker (in a different area of woodworking).
Guedelon castle building project serves another example. A door. Not an ornate door. Just a simple door. No carving, no inlay, no fancy decorations, no window, nothing. Just a door. A well made, large, hefty door, but just a door. Half a dozen people and several weeks work. Sounds bizarre by modern standards, but it takes a lot of labour, skill and time to go from trees in a forest to a door. In addition to the woodworkers, you also need a smith to make the necessary metalwork.
Just consider, for example, the planks in the scaffolding in the picture of that portico you just posted. They were cut with a machine saw. Bzzzzz, job done. Smooth all over, same shape every time, couple of minutes. You work with wood, so you're probably better suited than most to appreciate this. Imagine you need to make those planks and what you have is a tree trunk and hand tools. Probably not using a saw and definitely not using a saw large enough for sawing a trunk into planks. Saws were expensive to buy and maintain in the past and usually very limited in size before steel manufacturing improved enough. So you'll be doing the job with hammers, wedges, axes, knives and a plane. You could probably make that plank now. You could definitely make that plank if you'd had the training and experience that a skilled woodworker of the past would have had, using those tools in those ways. But it would take rather longer than it would with a plank-making machine. A plank was a lot of work by a skilled woodworker. A plank as smooth and as regular as a modern plank it would take ages to make. It could be done, but it would not be fast or cheap.
Man of Honour
And?
For decades he did a wonderful job, just because he put something in his pocket doesn't make his work less valid.
Actually, they used windmills. If you go to Holland, just outside Amsterdam is a historical museum with a group of windmills that were used to power various medieval technologies and one of them is making planks from raw lumber.
Caporegime
It guess it depends whether you consider the later parts of Ancient Egyptian history to be different countries or not.