Fast Saloon for £5000ish

Pinter75 said:
heh heh, me too.

The 540i is an awesome motor :-)

Indeed it is, but imo, the e34 M5 is something quite special, which a 540i of either generation, is not.

Looking at the torque and power figures for the 540i and the 3.8 E34 M5,I find the 540 has 10-11% more torque but, that a 3.8 E34 M5 has 19-20% more power. Weight is probably very similiar but I would think an E39 540 with the usual options is probably heavier.

I'd imagine the 540i to be quicker from a standing start, but I'd be very surprised if it bettered the M5 through the bends, never mind on "top end".

Autocar recorded the following in a 3.6 M5 (315bhp)

0-60 6.4

0-100 mph 15.6

Top speed 157mph

Standing 1/4 mile 15.0

These figures were recorded in Sept 1990.

For a 3.8 M5 the figures are (340 bhp)

0-60 5.4

0-100 13.6

Standing 1/4 mile 14.0

Top speed 170 mph

These figures were recorded in November 1994.

£5k will buy a very nice e34 M5 - Theres something appealing about a Motorsport bred hand built car, especially when they can be had for £5k.

I want one now! :o :D
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Axeboy said:
Gents ;)


Toying around with getting a new weekend toy... spending money is a top hobby.

Considering getting a new toy after christmas and it should meet the following:

1. Saloon /maybe Coupe
2. Budget £5500 maybe a little more
3. Powerful/Quick ie sub 6 approx


So far ive been considering:

Audi S4/S6/S8
Audi A6 4.2
Skyline GTSt
BMW 540i
VW Passat W8

etc etc :rolleyes:

Top choice at the moment is spending a bit over budget and bagging a 2000 Audi S6.


Any other choices? :confused:

An impressive list of cars there :) I am of the school that you need to spend serious money to get a serious car in good condition - and at an age where it doesn't start to cost you for the big things though. If it's just for the weekend and you aren't putting heavy mileage on it you may get away with spending little mind.
 
Dogbreath said:
They are also in the "dangerous purchase" zone where the cars you can afford will be the worst example of their kind and therefore more prone to require expensive work during your ownership.

pretty much what i was trying to say, though you may have worded it better :p
 
Yup, Soarer is a serious option.



And as for the man a few posts above who seems to think a 280bhp Galant Vr4 (with 4wd) does 60 in 7.3 seconds, have a little research deeper. Thats the 60 time for a Galant V6, not the twin turbo.


As for the cars being rough at my budget (in terms of the cheapest s4/s6's etc) I am considering pay over budget for the right car. And, at the same time, sky high mileage doesnt bother me so much, it would only be used for about 5k a year.

This car is more of a toy to tinker with at weekends, in the same way my previous vr4's have been.
 
Did you liek the dc2 but want something more grown up? If so, go drive an Accord Type-r and to save time take your cheque book with you :D

As an outside choice, have you looked at the Alfa 166 3.0 v6?
 
Driven the Accord, and if I needed an everyday car id consider it. It was nice enough, but just didnt do it for me.

I have a soft spot for the 166, and they are pretty cheap these days.

The soarer is a possibity, but id rather a manual. I think a manual would be in budget, but its finding one.
 
Axeboy said:
Driven the Accord, and if I needed an everyday car id consider it. It was nice enough, but just didnt do it for me.
did you drive a type-r - there is a lot of differance in handling and power to a vanilla accord.

alfa looks and drive great but have a reputation for going wrong
 
Yeah, i was looking at Type R's before I bought my first vr4.

Yep, had an alfa before, broke down lots, expensive to fix :)
 
The_Dark_Side said:
the only thing i know about the Soarer is i don't like the styling.
do any of the members here have any first hand experience with them?

yep ive got one.

2.5 twin turbo is 280 bhp and ridiculously cheap to buy. really reliable too.

pretty much impossible finding a manual one sadly.
 
Axeboy said:
And as for the man a few posts above who seems to think a 280bhp Galant Vr4 (with 4wd) does 60 in 7.3 seconds, have a little research deeper. Thats the 60 time for a Galant V6, not the twin turbo.

"The man" :rolleyes: as you put it, researched deeper, and actually you are right - it is faster - last Galant version with twin turbos could do 0-60 in 6.2 seconds.
A tenth of a second faster than a car you rejected on the basis of being "slow".
T5 is also faster than A6 4.2, S6, S8 and in par with W8 from original list. "Research deeper", was it, you said? :D
 
v0n said:
"The man" :rolleyes: as you put it, researched deeper, and actually you are right - it is faster - last Galant version with twin turbos could do 0-60 in 6.2 seconds.
A tenth of a second faster than a car you rejected on the basis of being "slow".
T5 is also faster than A6 4.2, S6, S8 and in par with W8 from original list. "Research deeper", was it, you said? :D


I dont want to argue, i like the s60 t5, but its not in the same league... really, ive driven them both.

The Galant vr4 is 6 seconds at worst, even then the 60 isnt the full story. Where did 7.3 seconds come from? The 6 seconds quoted by mitsubishi was widely regarded as a conservative figure by road tests.

Now Im not saying the t5 is a bad car, far from it, i like them. However, going from actual experience of both cars, its not in the same league.
 
Axeboy said:
The Galant vr4 is 6 seconds at worst, even then the 60 isnt the full story. Where did 7.3 seconds come from? The 6 seconds quoted by mitsubishi was widely regarded as a conservative figure by road tests.

7.3 is previous, pre-97 Galant. As far as I know VR4 is available only as japanese import, I can't recall a single road tests in any of the magazines, ever or... - can you actually dig up a road test of VR4 from somewhere, I'd genuinely love to read one. I am usually the first one to suggest Galants, because I like just about everything about them, but I'll be first one to admit VR4 and M5 don't belong in the same sentence. The "league", as you put it, is so different that if you stand next to M5 you can't even see Galant section on the horizon. :D
Now, talking about stupidly overpowered saloons. If you don't like S60, you don't like S60, and that's that. I was only questioning the "SLOW" tag, which I feel is highly undeserved.

Im sure the s8 is about 6, maybe sub 6 seconds to 60...
Not in your budget they don't.
 
Yup...

The Vr4 was also sold by Ralliart in the UK... not loads of them, maybe 100 or so, cant remember the exact numbers. While its no e39 m5 rival, it can hold its own against the m3 and earlier m5's. Those who have met the vr4 on track etc will confirm this.

As for reviews, heres a few links, most of which are good reading (popular as an HSV rival in NZ)...

http://www.aas.com.sg/features/archive/f07992.htm

And this is from Evo:

EVO August 1999.

Subaru Legacy RSK-B4 vs Mitsubishi Galant VR4

Think four-door saloon, supercar performance and affordable prices, and I ‘d wager an Impreza Turbo or Lancer Evolution would come immediately to mind. But if you’re the more mature, family man type and want that supercar-humbling performance in a less obvious package, then Subaru and Mitsubishi can offer you two cars which will have the sort of effect that a Mars Bar has on Marianne Faithful.

Available through your local Mitsubishi dealer, the £28,995 Galant VR4 is a sort of grown up Lancer EVO. Meanwhile the £26,450 Legacy RSK-B4 – available via your regular grey importers offers a taste of Impreza Turbo thrills in a bigger packet.

Visually, neither car wins any beauty prizes, both suffering from a mismatch of wings, spoilers, scoops and sill extensions, with the Legacy coming out top by virtue of it being least the offensive to the eye. :nono: The Legacy also wins inside, with a simple, smart instrument display, hip-hugging seats and high quality plastics. The Galant has a two-tone red leather steering wheel. Need I say more?

The appeal of these two saloons, though, is the hardware they pack – and their ability to make the most of it. The Galant is powered by a 2.5 litre, twin-turbo 276bhp V6 hooked up to a five speed ‘intelligent’ automatic transmission ( adjusting shift patterns according to your driving style ). It also comes with Active Yaw Control (AYC); as found on the Lancer EVO6.

All of which gives the VR4 a positively ‘Star Wars’ feel compared with the more ‘Ben Hur’ approach of the Legacy. The Legacy’s flat four also benefits from a pair of turbos (helping produce an identical 276bhp) and has a chassis tweaked by Porsche. But its five speed manual ‘box and four-wheel drive are taken largely unchanged from the regular Impreza Turbo. No bad thing.

On the road, though, it’s the Galant that really shines. The weighty feel to the steering and armfuls of feedback from both helm and chassis encourage you to press on as soon as the traffic frees up. Any thoughts of the auto-box hampering progress are dismissed the first time you ask it to kick down. On only a couple of occasions did it need time to think before selecting the appropriate gear. Otherwise it delivers smooth, effortless and unobtrusive changes whenever your right foot demands.

After the Galant, the Legacy’s a bit of a disappointment. Over-light steering and continuous fidgeting on those 215/45x17 Bridgestones (the Galant wears identical size tyres) :confused: means you have to work hard just to keep the Mitsubishi in your sights.
Turn in too fast, and where the Galant can call on AYC to see you through the corner, the Legacy feels clumsy, rolling onto its dampers and relying on the tyres to resolve the situation. It’s hard to believe the Legacy comes from the same stable as the Impreza.

And it’s not only through the twisting stuff that the Legacy loses out. A noticeable trough of turbo lag below 3500rpm allows the Galant’s six-cylinder grunt to pull out half a cars length over the Legacy, and by the time the Subaru’s boxer engine has called upon its second turbo at 4500rpm, the VR4 is two, nearly three lengths further down the road. Subaru’s claim for the RSK-B4 reaching 60 in under 6secs is as bold as the Mitsubishi’s 6.7secs claim for the same discipline is conservative.

While the Legacy has the looks and the stylish interior, it’s the Galant that serves up the thrills to satisfy any enthusiast who isn’t allowed and EVO6. It’s just a shame that Mitsubishi had trouble finding a decent interior designer.
 
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