Fat tax

While they are at it they should slap a tax on sitting down as well.

Junk food surely isn't the whole issue, though is a big part of it I'll agree.

What about the cheaper versions of popular food stuffs. i.e supermarket own brand beans over Heinz beans. Chances are the own brand product will have a higher fat or sugar content. Yet people buy the own brand stuff to make their money go further.

There is also the issue of exercise. Has there been a genuine decrease in the amount of exercise people are doing especially in children and if so why.

Have we seen an increase in calorie intake over the years or are we as a nation getting less exercise.
 
Rustler Burger - £1
Ceasar Salad with barely anything - £2.50

You see my point. It's not like half of us don't want to eat heathy, but you see the price difference!
 
What about the cheaper versions of popular food stuffs. i.e supermarket own brand beans over Heinz beans. Chances are the own brand product will have a higher fat or sugar content. Yet people buy the own brand stuff to make their money go further.

To an extend, I disagree.
You'll be surprised how strict own brands follow regulations when compared to branded goods.
 
Healthy food is generally more expensive. You'd find a lot of people eat badly because of budget rather than because they enjoy eating garbage.

People just want more, spending on food has massively reduced over the decades. 30+ years ago it was 20% now it's around 10%. People weren't bankrupt back then. They just forgo some of the extra luxuries which aren't needed.

Also healthy food can and is cheap, if you aren't an idiot which will only eat a few bits of an animal, or will only eat the expensive fish/seafood. As well as cooking in batching and minimising food waste by planning.
 
I saw freddos at 65p the other day :(

Its not hard to lose weight if your determined, I lost around 30lbs last year. I think a lot of people cant be bothered to excersize. For me something had to click before I got serious about it
 
I can't find a uk one. But this shows the shocking state of food. It's gone from a pleasure, something to be enjoyed and a socilising event. To something evil and to be avoided.

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Despite fat intake falling, especially animal/saturated, obesity has exploded.

Fructose vs obesity us & uk

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polyunsaturated fat (margarine/veg oil) chart.
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The other interesting chart is car usage vs obesity which shows a link.
 
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To an extend, I disagree.
You'll be surprised how strict own brands follow regulations when compared to branded goods.

As someone who has been sampling own brand products over the last 6 months to establish if they are a viable alternative taste wise to their branded equivalents, trust me the supermarket own brand stuff generally has a higher fat or sugar content.

I've also established that the really cheap Tesco stuff can taste better then the slightly cheap Tesco stuff which is odd. From my taste point of view obviously.
 
Difficult one.

On one hand I can definitely see the line of argument that suggests this.

On the other hand I find all this "nudge" stuff very nanny state and insulting.

If we consider Coca Cola for example that stuff is basically as much sugar as they can get away with putting into it so sure I can see the argument for making it more expensive than fruit juice and generally for applying more tax to the **** people eat.

OTOH I might ask the question who the government think they are to tell people what to drink. Maybe drinking fizzy pop provides them with a happiness nothing else does.
 
Whilst I have a certain alignment to the "its my choice" type mentality sometimes people will not / do not understand the impacts on them from what they do, and those sorts of people either need encouragement to change or have to be forced to.

Food is very clear cut, heavily processed and cheap foods will contain more bad stuff because thats cheap and helps to mask the flavour of other poor quality ingredients.

But the issue I see is working out the boundaries, if you force up the costs of a cheap calorie laden sausage roll to the point its not worth buying then you will by default force up the costs of the good meat that came from the same supply.
Eg if a cow cost £100 and the cheap rubbish meat was sold for £10 then you would need to sell the rest for £90 (lets assume your just breakin even for now). If the cheap rubbish bits became unwanted then you would need to charge £100 for the good stuff.

Some areas are different, you do not need sugar in drinks but they make them more palateable to a lot of people. Its just like adding sugar to a cup of tea or coffee.

I rarely eat takeaway, to me its more like a treat, it always was but then I am of an age where McDs were not in the town when I was really young. Literally all the fast food restaurants appeared in the town I grew up in between the ages of 12-16 or so. The only fast food before that was KFC and Wimpey, KFC at those times was expensive so was a real treat not an alternative to "normal food".

People like eating, well a lot do. I am not sure if taxing it will change that unless it becomes so expensive you cannot afford to, but again to significantly affect the ability of a large part of the population from over eating you would need a massive increase in food prices further trying to force the middle down to the bottom as you would have to increase benefits to be able to live.

The only way I could see some sense would be to abandon current VAT rules (where basic items are VAT free and "luxury" items taxed). I remember them adding VAT to takeaways as they were not even taxed till about 1983 or something like that. With no VAt being charged then you could implement a sliding scale of tax based on calorific value per 100g. Highly processed and high calorie added foods would suffer a much higher loading which would probably trigger manufacturers to try to reduce these items and use better premium ingredients and hence need less addatives.

Certainly in the US the corn syrup industry is powerful and the product is cheap, this acts as a barrier to entry for alternatives be that natural or synthetic since they are more expensive. There was some stuff on this in a BBC documentary series last year. Think it was called the truth about food.
 
Smoking tax is going up all the time yet people still manage to cut corners elsewhere to afford the smokers, fatties will do the same.
 
Personally, I would like alcohol to be taxed even more heavily.

/runs

You looking for another name change? ;)

In all seriousness I don't see the issue with this.

Base theory, someone's paying for the externalities they are creating - in this case NHS cost.

On the other hand, government are encouraging people to eat healthily. Fantastic. Yeah, I eat fatty stuff from time to time, and I'm happy to pay for it. Great idea.

My biggest opposition to this is it being called a 'fat tax'. Yet again suggesting fatty foods are the work of the devil. More education on good and bad fats would be much more beneficial. This is really a poor quality, unhealthy food tax. They're not going to start taxing fish, nuts, oils, avocado etc...

kd
 
Fruit juices are pretty bad for you as well, why aren't they being targeted?

In fact fruit juices are probably worse since people seem to think they are a healthy alternative to fizzy drinks.
 
TBH im surprised they aint found a way to tax the air we breath.

One way they could do it is plant millions of trees and say right your breathing our air :P
 
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