FCC Moves To Kill Net Neutrality — Now What?

MissChief said:
Looking at the comments some seem to be forgetting that this shouldn't really affect us.
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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If we roll over and let it happen elsewhere, it'll eventually come here.
 
MooMoo444 said:
If we roll over and let it happen elsewhere, it'll eventually come here.
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Let it happen elsewhere... how the fudge do you propose that we affect the laws being written in another country?? This country can barely hold its own **** together at the moment with Brexit, let alone managing the affairs in the USA.
 
Surely you just get the likes of Apple, Google, Facebook, Netflix, Amaon etc.. refusing to sign contracts with ISPs. Bad ISPs then block them. People flock from bad ISPs to good ones (if there is choice). The avaerage person won't care until they realise they can't facebook stalk someone, send penis picks on Tinder, or stream GoT. Once that happens, they will go ape.

The other solution is you get a bunch of huge companies, that already own their infrastructure, server centres, undersea cables etc.. form their own ISP.
 
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englishpremier said:
Surely you just get the likes of Apple, Google, Facebook, Netflix, Amaon etc.. refusing to sign contracts with ISPs. Bad ISPs then block them. People flock from bad ISPs to good ones (if there is choice). The avaerage person won't care until they realise they can't facebook stalk someone, send penis picks on Tinder, or stream GoT. Once that happens, they will go ape.

The other solution is you get a bunch of huge companies, that already own their infrastructure, server centres, undersea cables etc.. form their own ISP.
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In a great many places in the US superfast access in excess of 20Mbps is only available from one provider. In one of my earlier posts I linked an FCC report showing this. Many people don't have any other option!
 
AHarvey said:
Is that by ISP choice or legislation?

If it's legislation it would suck but it would be a prime reason to start your own ISP in your area and start branching out.
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In a lot of areas it is a monopoloy with no real way for anyone else to start up.

Various cities are from memory still stuck with legacy contracts with the the old Bell companies (and whoever bought them up) meaning new companies can't start up, and even in areas where that isn't the case and the likes of the city or state have tried to partner with companies (ranging from google down) to provide better connections they've been hamstrung.

There is also a high level of corruption and fraud in the incumbent ISP's, with things like massive over billing of cities for work that either isn't done, or is charged at a much higher rate than it should be - but the ISP's have the lobbyists to change the rules, and lawyers to argue fines/punishments down to less than the money they made out of it.

We are lucky in that our ex monopoly provider has to share access, the US doesn't have that, or even the ability to lay down new connections.

We had better speeds available to a lot of people back in 2002 than many in the US get now!
 
Werewolf said:
We had better speeds available to a lot of people back in 2002 than many in the US get now!
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Exactly. Large swathes of the American Mid West, North West and the West coast are lucky if they even get the rubbish dial up speeds we used to have 2002. Not just talking about isolated houses either, a very large proportion of major US towns are still in this situation.
 
kitfit1 said:
Exactly. Large swathes of the American Mid West, North West and the West coast are lucky if they even get the rubbish dial up speeds we used to have 2002. Not just talking about isolated houses either, a very large proportion of major US towns are still in this situation.
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It used to amuse me that one of the tech writers I followed used to (from memory) have two ADSL lines and a satellite link (I think it was) to enable him to get a reasonably consistent 512k or something similar (at the time I was on about 1mbit at least).
A Sci-Fi Author whose work I like and whose twitter I look at comments almost every time he gets on an aircraft that the airplane (and pretty much every hotel/free fifi spot) is faster than his home connection, usually including an @isp (which often results in a reply from a CS droid "we're sorry to hear you're having problems, please contact us").
I think he's on something like 4mb at home, with his mobile phone offering a faster link.

There is no incentive for the US ISP's to improve services, and they actively fight anyone else trying to do anything about it.

The result is that whilst something like 95% of the UK population can now get 8mb+ (with 80-200+ becoming common), vast swathes of the US population are stuck in the year 2001 when it comes to internet speeds and options.
 
Werewolf said:
The result is that whilst something like 95% of the UK population can now get 8mb+ (with 80-200+ becoming common), vast swathes of the US population are stuck in the year 2001 when it comes to internet speeds and options.
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In fact, if TBB's Last results are true then about 95% of the UK has 30Mbps or above available to them if they want it. Not all do take it up of course, but it is available.
As you said, for most Americans it's a pipe dream that simply will never happen.
 
Someone will just offer over the air setups eventually.

In countries without a cable infrastructure they tended to skip over laying down copper/fibre and just move straight to 3/4g
 
Question...

Are mobile operators not doing something close to this right now.

Vodafone do a 'passes' that you pay a certain amount to get data for apps that doesn't eat into your norm data allowance.

E.g. a video pass is £7pm and you gets you unlimited data Netflix, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, DisneyLife, My5, TV Player, UKTV Play and Vevo

If they can recognise that your phone is connected to these services to make sure the data isn't used against your standard allowance it wouldn't be hard for them to restrict access on that allowance and force you to buy a pass?
 
Azza said:
Question...

Are mobile operators not doing something close to this right now.

Vodafone do a 'passes' that you pay a certain amount to get data for apps that doesn't eat into your norm data allowance.

E.g. a video pass is £7pm and you gets you unlimited data Netflix, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, DisneyLife, My5, TV Player, UKTV Play and Vevo

If they can recognise that your phone is connected to these services to make sure the data isn't used against your standard allowance it wouldn't be hard for them to restrict access on that allowance and force you to buy a pass?
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Sure, but at the moment these are added extras, not a limiting factor. OFCOM wouldn't allow it anyway.
 
Land of the free...

when I was younger I was at one point pondering moving over to the US, I do like the place and I admire things like their strong protections for freedom of speech

what I don't like now is how polarised it has become, the authoritarian nature of their police forces/lack of accountability and stuff like this net neutrality thing

I think they've got the balance wrong and have gone too far towards bending over for corporate interests etc.. against the individual citizen
 
Does this affect us in the uk in any significant manner?

This seems worse than the daft cow spying on everyone earlier on in the year.

Guess muricans can pray democrats win in 3 years time and undo all the dumb stuff the dotard has done.
 
I’m hoping that people will shift to ISPs that don’t shape traffic to at least show them that custom will be lost if they mess with the traffic.
 
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