Feb 27/28 for 5D2 replacement?...
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Looks good, probably won't knock the 5D2 prices down much but it could potentially put a dent in 1DS3 prices. The 5D2 doesn't really need any improvements over a better AF system, but with that price point I'd hope they've improved the sensor as well.
Where that rumour falls down for me are the dual cf/sd slots as I see Canon going CF only with their pro lines.
As far as the rumoured price, well you would be getting getting what looks like 1DX AF with a larger FF sensor. The MkII was £2,300 when launched so $3,500 sounds about right.
As far as the rumoured price, well you would be getting getting what looks like 1DX AF with a larger FF sensor. The MkII was £2,300 when launched so $3,500 sounds about right.
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SD cards will be used for the second slot, as to gimp the camera. If the camera isn't gimped somewhere then no one is going to buy the 1DX.
SD cards will be used for the second slot, as to gimp the camera. If the camera isn't gimped somewhere then no one is going to buy the 1DX.
Doubt it. Plenty of 7D sales and plenty of people using them for wildlife. 22MP doesn't crop to 18MP ASP-C size so Canon would be foolish to try and merge the two as all that would happen is people swapping to second hand 1D bodies or sticking with 7Ds.
I've read this a lot on canon rumors and and TP. Lots of people seem to think the 7D will not be replaced, but rather dropped and the 70D will pick up from the 60D.
I can't see that, the 7D has been a huge seller for Canon and lot's of people do not want to go full frame. I would not go near a 70D unless it had the body and quality of the 7D.
I guess we will find out soon, the 7D is very old now in terms of canon life. Personally I wish they would hurry up and let us know. If they go down the 70D route in those plastic bodies I will probably just buy a 7D cheaply to tide me over, as much as I'd hate to buy a body of that age cycle now, I'd find it preferable to a plastic bodied camera.
Price wise there is also going to be such a large gap in the market from a 70D to 5D. They would be pretty stupid to leave that whole to Nikon.
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It's around 36mp I think, but you're going to need good lenses in order to make use of all that resolution.
What really confuses me is that sensor. We all know that the camera manufactures like to re-use sensor wherever possible because they are very expensive to design and also manufacturing costs decrease with larger supplies.
So why is the FF 1DX having a brand new 18MP sensor and the 5DMKIII having a 22MP sensor? The 4MP difference is not enough to be visibly higher in resolution with the human eye and I doubt synthetic tests will show any significant differences. In general you need a 15% linear increase in resolution to be detectable by a human eye when printed out to large sizes, 18-22MP represents approximately 5% linear resolution increase, i.e. side by side no one could tell them apart.
So what is the difference between the 1DX sensor and this possible 5DMKIII sensor?
I doubt the 5dMKII sensor will have better noise characteristics than the 1DX, would make no sense.
It could be optimized for video, but then the resolution would no doubt be lower not higher than the 1DX.
22MP sounds too similar to the long predicted 32MP sensor and someone made a typo. Or it is the 21MP 5DMKII sensor that has been tweaked.
Canon will have to release a high MP body yet they have claimed the 1D and 1DS lines have merged and there is no 1.3x sensor format to come. So one would logically think that the 5DMKIII will become the high resolution body, and things will mirror the Nikon line up as well as keep up the tradition that the 5D line is good for studio and landscape photographers.
If the 5DMKII is 22MP with the 1DX at 18MP then there will have to be a new high-res camera released fairly soon or hordes of Canon landscape & studio photographers will switch to Nikon. Canon already lost a fair few after Nikon offered landscape photographers the 14-24/2.8 and D3x bundle.
So why is the FF 1DX having a brand new 18MP sensor and the 5DMKIII having a 22MP sensor? The 4MP difference is not enough to be visibly higher in resolution with the human eye and I doubt synthetic tests will show any significant differences. In general you need a 15% linear increase in resolution to be detectable by a human eye when printed out to large sizes, 18-22MP represents approximately 5% linear resolution increase, i.e. side by side no one could tell them apart.
So what is the difference between the 1DX sensor and this possible 5DMKIII sensor?
I doubt the 5dMKII sensor will have better noise characteristics than the 1DX, would make no sense.
It could be optimized for video, but then the resolution would no doubt be lower not higher than the 1DX.
22MP sounds too similar to the long predicted 32MP sensor and someone made a typo. Or it is the 21MP 5DMKII sensor that has been tweaked.
Canon will have to release a high MP body yet they have claimed the 1D and 1DS lines have merged and there is no 1.3x sensor format to come. So one would logically think that the 5DMKIII will become the high resolution body, and things will mirror the Nikon line up as well as keep up the tradition that the 5D line is good for studio and landscape photographers.
If the 5DMKII is 22MP with the 1DX at 18MP then there will have to be a new high-res camera released fairly soon or hordes of Canon landscape & studio photographers will switch to Nikon. Canon already lost a fair few after Nikon offered landscape photographers the 14-24/2.8 and D3x bundle.
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I think we just need to wait a little longer until we really hear what the deal is, rumours could always be wrong.
As the owner of a 7D, I personally could see them maybe dropping it.
I wanted a 5D II back when I bought mine, but the 7D was a much more up to date camera. So I thought I'd hang on a bit until a new model to go Full Frame. I can't be the only one who did that?
While the 7D has no doubt been a big seller, Canon may have also looked at the figures for what people have bought to go with it. I bet there are lots of people buying EF lenses for it rather than EF-S.
I think the the 7D also confused the XXD line, so it will be interesting to see what they do with the 70D. There is certainly a place for a good crop camera in a lot of applications, but people will want something like the quality of the 7D, without having to pay 1 series prices or having its bulk.
It would probably make more sense to improve the XXD line to 7D standard, as I wonder how well the 60D has sold in comparison to the 7D and the XXXD line below it.
As the owner of a 7D, I personally could see them maybe dropping it.
I wanted a 5D II back when I bought mine, but the 7D was a much more up to date camera. So I thought I'd hang on a bit until a new model to go Full Frame. I can't be the only one who did that?
While the 7D has no doubt been a big seller, Canon may have also looked at the figures for what people have bought to go with it. I bet there are lots of people buying EF lenses for it rather than EF-S.
I think the the 7D also confused the XXD line, so it will be interesting to see what they do with the 70D. There is certainly a place for a good crop camera in a lot of applications, but people will want something like the quality of the 7D, without having to pay 1 series prices or having its bulk.
It would probably make more sense to improve the XXD line to 7D standard, as I wonder how well the 60D has sold in comparison to the 7D and the XXXD line below it.
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I hear what you're saying. I'm not saying that the 5D3 will take over from the 7D and 5D2 and neither of these models will then be replaced, merely that the 5D3 will provide a "best of both worlds" option for those that can afford it.
There will be a successor to the 7D but whether it's a 7Dmk2 or an improved 70D I don't know. I'm not sure how well the 60D has sold but I suspect maybe not that well, as many owners of 40/50Ds will have jumped straight to the 7D and those who couldn't afford this or maybe didn't want to may well have opted for a 550/600D instead. Aside from the video aspect, I'm not really sure that the 60D offered much above the 50D anyway.
As for the 5D2, unless the price of the 5D3 drops significantly then Canon will be raising the entry level for FF which surprises me, given how successful the 5D2 was. Perhaps there'll be a new FF model to succeed the 5D2 in due course, at a lower price point with maybe the same FF sensor as the 5D3 but lower FPS and a downgraded AF system, maybe the 19pt one from the 7D?
Guess we'll find out in time, 'tis fun to guess though
I'm struggling to find the bit I read recently to suggest the 7D is one of the best sellers Canon has had in recent years.
I agree they could do more to bring say a 70D up to standard of a top of the line crop but it would leave a huge price gap from the 70D to the 5D3. Something like double the price for a body?
I understand why you went 7D over a 5d2 and lot's of people would be in the same boat. Lots of people still though have a desire for a top of the line crop and not one in a xxx series crappy plastic housing
If the top of the range crop goes to that I will be forced to go FF even though I really don't need to. I'm not interested in tilt screens either.
Yeah I suppose they could do that, I stayed with the 50D as you say the 60 offers little for me. I want the wireless flash trigger of the 7D, body quality and AF system but don't want to buy this far into it's life cycle.
That and the higher iso noise was no better many say worse.
All I really want is a 7D body and features with better performance at ISO 800 and above
It would make sense to increase the quality of a 70 series camera but I guess it will all come down to how well each has been selling.
I just want to know
I'm struggling to find the bit I read recently to suggest the 7D is one of the best sellers Canon has had in recent years.
I agree they could do more to bring say a 70D up to standard of a top of the line crop but it would leave a huge price gap from the 70D to the 5D3. Something like double the price for a body?
I understand why you went 7D over a 5d2 and lot's of people would be in the same boat. Lots of people still though have a desire for a top of the line crop and not one in a xxx series crappy plastic housing
If the top of the range crop goes to that I will be forced to go FF even though I really don't need to. I'm not interested in tilt screens either.
If you look at the Nikon line the D800 has effectively replaced the high-end crop camera since the D800 in crop mode will still pump out 16MP images which is plenty for a crop camera. The only sticking point is price.