Geordie Shore is a sadly true reflection on the role models young boys grow up with, the whole lads culture drink yourself stupid get a shag, makes me sick! Young men should learn to respect women not just see them as another notch on the bed post, which it appears is an all too common view.
Female Students Facing Sexual Harassment And Groping In University Lad Culture, Says NUS
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People need to stop claiming that people are blaming the victims when they aren't. When someone is so obviously talking rubbish, it undermines any real point they might have.
If you want a fight so you can force your dominance onto people or promote irrational prejudices, then polarising, anger-provoking political slogans are a good idea. If that's not what you want, then they're a bad idea.
Yes.
I forget to lock doors a lot. Back when I was living with my mum I left the house, leaving the back door open. Some kids essentially robbed the place. I must admit I started locking the door for the next few weeks, but I never once really thought it was my fault, not did my parents ever appropriate blame.
My ex would occasionally fight with her friends on a night out and walk home herself. On occasion guys would also hassle her on the way back. I suggested that she not do that. The same logic as the quote would be suggesting that she would be to blame if she were raped by one of those guys which we both know isn't a legitimate way to look at it.
Giving bad advice obviously doesn't help but you then also can't give good advice if we're playing the "it was your own fault because you didn't take precautions game". The idea that victims are ever to blame is just wrong.
Other people don't necessarily make the same interpretation of it as you do.
I'll deliberately use an example other than rape so that more people will think about it rather than reacting at it.
Let's say you have a really nice car. Something high end, expensive.
You park it on the street instead of in your garage, to show it off to everyone who's anywhere near. You erect a 30 foot high sign reading LOOK AT MY AWESOME CAR! with a flashing arrow pointing at the car and you install an array of speakers to shout out the same message, volume cranked up to 11.
Some people say that it would be prudent to tone the display down somewhat, especially at night, in case it attracts the attention of someone who'd vandalise your car because people who vandalise cars exist, even though they shouldn't.
You could interpret that as them saying that it's your fault if your car is vandalised and you didn't always keep it locked away from sight. That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone, or even anyone, actually meant that.
And when i was younger unless you was into the whole getting wasted/drugs and getting it on thing... you was seen as kind of an outcast/boring etc...
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Also what respect do some women have when they're shagging these types of guys who want just another notch on their bedpost.
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A woman's body isn't a piece of property and 'sensible precautions' restrict their personal freedom.
I like not having to go through a checklist before I step outside the door in the evening and women should enjoy that right as well instead of having to worry about running a gauntlet of drunken *****.
It wasn't that long ago that the standard advice to victims of domestic violence was that they should avoid provoking their partners. That put the responsibility for avoiding an attack on the innocent party, as does telling women that they should behave a certain way to avoid being sexually assaulted.
No, I can't see that really, I don't think clothes are a great factor myself, but I don't think the suggestion that men target women in certain attire suddenly denigrates and puts the blame onto women. Despite the last comment westyfield2 made I think the crux of what he was saying was that if boys were to rape according to what someone was wearing, you would advise not wearing it, regardless of whether it was right or wrong that the choice should have to be made. I think that people are talking at crossed purposes in trying to make their point, but I can tell you that one bone of contention here is that some can't tell the difference between what is right and what is pragmatic.
when I talked of teaching I was more thinking about the kind of advice such as when meeting up with someone unfamiliar to do so in a public place and not making their way home alone after a night out etc. Would you never advise any caution in any scenario because statistically a woman is less likely to be raped by a stranger?
Yes, rape is predominantly a social issue stemming from a terrible attitude among many men towards women, and without reform little if any advice that can be given will save women from becoming victims, but I don't think that means we should have a fatalistic view of all rape and just say it will happen until we teach men not to commit it.
Statistics might say it's fine to trip cartwheels naked down Tottenham Court Road at 02:00, just so long as you don't live there or are with anyone you know, but I wouldn't recommend it, perhaps that makes me the fool.
Some people feel that such advice is restrictive, well yes it is, when I'm lying in bed and wondering if I've locked the back door, especially in the summer when I wonder whether I've even closed it, I wish I could just go to sleep knowing that there are no bad people that might cross the threshold, but that's not how the world is, sometimes you have to alter your behaviour because of what other people may do.
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Herpderp, with all due respect, I have looked into your posts, and most of them seem to contain either standing and banging, and rape.
Do you have some sort of mental problem? Were you raped at some point? Was your mother raped? A friend? Something has obviously happened to twist your mind so badly.
Put it this way... I joke about rape ALL the time with my GF.
If she puts on an old granny shawl that makes her look about 70, I say "ahh, your anti-rape device!"
If shes paranoid about walking home alone sometimes, I say she wouldnt get raped, she would perhaps reply with "I'm definitely rape-able, look at my ass!!"
Rape jokes can and are funny, people really need to get a grip. Jokes are made about everything in life.
Also, there are varying degrees of rape, and some is more serious than others.
Consider a crazed nutter subjecting some poor girl to an ordeal in some bushes at knifepoint, and then consider two drunk people stripping, and getting fresh, but not really remembering whether anyone consented or not in the morning. Totally different scenarios.
When I was at Uni, people used to pinch bums, cop a quick feel of breast etc and it was all good humoured and innocent, how did these relatively harmless things turn into serious sexual assault cases by todays standards? Its fricking NUTS.
We are turning into a nation of pedantic hysterics. Its quite frightening.
Do you have some sort of mental problem? Were you raped at some point? Was your mother raped? A friend? Something has obviously happened to twist your mind so badly.
Put it this way... I joke about rape ALL the time with my GF.
If she puts on an old granny shawl that makes her look about 70, I say "ahh, your anti-rape device!"
If shes paranoid about walking home alone sometimes, I say she wouldnt get raped, she would perhaps reply with "I'm definitely rape-able, look at my ass!!"
Rape jokes can and are funny, people really need to get a grip. Jokes are made about everything in life.
Also, there are varying degrees of rape, and some is more serious than others.
Consider a crazed nutter subjecting some poor girl to an ordeal in some bushes at knifepoint, and then consider two drunk people stripping, and getting fresh, but not really remembering whether anyone consented or not in the morning. Totally different scenarios.
When I was at Uni, people used to pinch bums, cop a quick feel of breast etc and it was all good humoured and innocent, how did these relatively harmless things turn into serious sexual assault cases by todays standards? Its fricking NUTS.
We are turning into a nation of pedantic hysterics. Its quite frightening.
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In addition, how people dress DOES make a difference despite what ANYONE says. ITs a fact.
Consider walking down a street in say a highly Black or Asian community. Would a girl with fishnets, her boobs hanging out, and gold hoops be more likely than a girl with jeans and/or a long flowery dress hiding everything, to be raped?
The answer is of course yes. So it does play a part. Sure its not the victims fault per se, but it certainly does not help anything.
Consider walking down a street in say a highly Black or Asian community. Would a girl with fishnets, her boobs hanging out, and gold hoops be more likely than a girl with jeans and/or a long flowery dress hiding everything, to be raped?
The answer is of course yes. So it does play a part. Sure its not the victims fault per se, but it certainly does not help anything.
I'm not so sure that's true actually. Apparently circumstance plays a larger factor in attacks then what the victim looks like. I.e. a normal person doesn't just see an attractive person in sexy attire and become so turned on that they have to rape them. It's more the case that a guy has a mind to attack a women and then it just comes down to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't think a rapist waits in the shadows for a women in a short skirt, just a women on her own.
Just saying something is a fact doesn't make it a fact. I admit what you say isn't an uncommon belief but I just think it's not as simple as that. If it were the case where the only people you'd hear about being attacked would be young women dressed in miniskirts but it just isn't. People of all ages are attacked frequently, from children to oaps, from those wearing miniskirts and tiny tops to those wearing jeans and jumpers.
Also why on Earth did you feel the need to include walking down a street in a "highly Black or Asian community" in your example? I think I'm starting to build a picture....
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It's a fact? Really? - and also kind of disproven by the massive incidence of rape found in countries where women are clad from top to toe in black completely obscuring clothing. You do have a point that it is often placed forward as a reason by the rapists in certain communities. And their attitudes do support that belief. Whether that then corresponds into statistics is not clear from what I understand though. And is not what you'd determine as "ITs(sic) a fact".
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The irony in that closing sentence. Was it deliberate because if so it's a great obfuscated point considering the link between pornography, objectification and incidence of rape.
Because it turns out that (shock horror) what you find a bit of fun the women it happens to often find disgusting and a serious sexual assault!
If it's just a bit of fun why are there so many complaints made?
Why are there so many articles/interviews with women talking about how degrading and sick that behavior makes them feel?
I can't understand how you could think it's acceptable and just a bit of fun to grope a random person in a club. You're doing something that can cause real pain and anguish to the victim and you're just brushing it off as something that women should put up with/enjoy!
I wonder how he would feel if some bloke were to grab him and feel him all in the name of "fun" or would he then go off on some anti-gay rant or just plain kick off.
Note to hurfdurf though if one bloke did that to him it would not make all gay men the same way only those that agreed with him.
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Its happened to me.
Some girls at uni when out clubbing where grabbing my junk.
I thought it was funny, albeit a little suprising.
I did not call the police and break down and become a self harmer due to this incident like the fairies that seem to populate this country now though.
Some girls at uni when out clubbing where grabbing my junk.
I thought it was funny, albeit a little suprising.
I did not call the police and break down and become a self harmer due to this incident like the fairies that seem to populate this country now though.
god somone put this in their sig LOL
Isn't that just what Ken Clarke said in that radio interview though?
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