Ferrari & Red Bull Quit FOTA

Mr Men · 2 Dec 2011 at 20:07

sunama said:
Ferrari might have made the decision to spend their way to success (their statement does not explicitly state that they are going to spend big). They have a great team, but at present they cannot "break" RBR. They need to spend big money, to "break" RBR, so this might be the plan.

Next year should be very interesting, IF Ferrari have decided to remove budgetary constraints.

Ferrari does not have the money to compete with Red Bull in a spending war.

DBT85 · 2 Dec 2011 at 20:34

Mr Men said:
Ferrari does not have the money to compete with Red Bull in a spending war.

No but they do have the ability, like McLaren, to spend more than they probably were under the RRA. It possible that RBR left for one reason or another and that Ferrari said "we'll if they are going to be un restricted then so are we".

No they can't spend the same kind of money but it would still be more than every other team that is part of the current RRA since they all have to stick to it.

Kerming · 2 Dec 2011 at 20:44

this is crazy, wonder why mclaren havn't done the same.........along with the other major f1 players like Mercedez?

dannyjo22 · 2 Dec 2011 at 20:52

Mr Men said:
Ferrari does not have the money to compete with Red Bull in a spending war.

Do they have to, looking forward to the engine changes freeing up spending would help them a lot. They would be helping themselves. Will Renault be so keen to throw as much money at it? Yes Red Bull could fund it but so many other teams would be benefiting from that as well.

I said this time and time again when the teams have had issue with the rules and people wanted them to go it alone, they cannot. They would never agree on anything if they were left to their own devices.

Surely now though the FIA can bring in more extreme cost cutting measures easier than if they were all united? It's much easier to force through changes now surely?

DBT85 · 2 Dec 2011 at 21:00

Kerming said:
this is crazy, wonder why mclaren havn't done the same.........along with the other major f1 players like Mercedez?

I don't think the Mercedes team have the kind of money to spend much more than the RRA personally. It's only conjecture and a hunch since I obviously have no facts to back it with. It just feel that them not having to spend bazillions was part of the reason Merc got back into the sport in the first place.

Gaijin · 2 Dec 2011 at 21:10

Kerming said:
this is crazy, wonder why mclaren havn't done the same.........along with the other major f1 players like Mercedez?

Probably because Whitmarsh is president and it would look awful (if its even possible) if Mclaren left yet Whitmarsh remained president.

Would be pretty catastrophic for FOTA if both left!

Kerming · 2 Dec 2011 at 21:15

Gayjin said:
Probably because Whitmarsh is president and it would look awful (if its even possible) if Mclaren left yet Whitmarsh remained president.

Would be pretty catastrophic for FOTA if both left!

ooooo..........we don't want to damage Whitmarsh's CV now wud we, oh no what could happon to Mclaren!!!! (maybe stop being such a bunch of businessman and be proper racers like red bull???)

Irish_Tom · 2 Dec 2011 at 21:57

Didn't expect this but I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.

I wonder how it will affect next season...

.Lethal · 2 Dec 2011 at 22:07

Mr Men said:
Ferrari were very much for the spending agreement though, so they have probably left because Red Bull would make no agreement. Anyway take away Ferrari and FOTA is nothing really

That's what some of the media are reporting.

arknor said:
you know he doesnt comment on this sort of stuff and you cant really expect him to when it could cost him his job

I don't think he would have any additional information anyway, it's not like he's consulted about such topics. I'm sure most of their staff are wondering what happend, or have their own personal views.

arknor · 2 Dec 2011 at 22:23

.Lethal said:
I don't think he would have any additional information anyway, it's not like he's consulted about such topics. I'm sure most of their staff are wondering what happend, or have their own personal views.

i always got the impression he was fairly high up seeing as he was arranging factory tours for forum members at one point and obtaining signed merchandise for someones charity raising auction

Durzel · 3 Dec 2011 at 00:28

With a two month notice period this seems like brinkmanship to be honest, Ferrari and Red Bull throwing their weight around. Wouldn't surprise me if an accord was reached at the 11th hour on RRA and both teams rejoin.

Mr Men · 3 Dec 2011 at 10:14

From James Allen

There is a lack of trust within FOTA which has spurred this decision, but it’s important to remember that the RRA is a legally binding agreement which runs to 2017, so it is not as if Ferrari and Red Bull will be able to spend £100 million a year more. Meanwhile the testing agreement also involves the FIA, so this won’t change overnight.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/12/fota-reeling-as-ferrari-and-red-bull-pull-out/

Gaijin · 3 Dec 2011 at 12:24

Kerming said:
ooooo..........we don't want to damage Whitmarsh's CV now wud we, oh no what could happon to Mclaren!!!! (maybe stop being such a bunch of businessman and be proper racers like red bull???)

It's not really about that - can't you see how damaging the conflict of interests would be if you had a team withdraw from an organisation whose TP is the President of said organisation?

Sparky · 4 Dec 2011 at 01:27

LMFAO you really think McLarens second factory produce road car bits only, Whitmarsh was caught with his pants down.

Dave M · 4 Dec 2011 at 01:50

I'm sure Mercedes, Ferrari and now Mclaren have large resources for their road car development which may have cross-over applications.

It must be difficult deciding where the line is drawn, but if you assume the competition to cheat does it make it fair to also cheat?

deuse · 4 Dec 2011 at 09:40

Sparky-F1 said:
LMFAO you really think McLarens second factory produce road car bits only, Whitmarsh was caught with his pants down.

Do you have proof of this?...what you haven't...thought so

I only proof that MSC and Brawn had was the number of people at RB and that RB spent over 800,000 euro for airo for one race.

Skeeter · 4 Dec 2011 at 10:36

Sparky-F1 said:
LMFAO you really think McLarens second factory produce road car bits only, Whitmarsh was caught with his pants down.

Morning Nuts!

Telescopi said:
It must be difficult deciding where the line is drawn, but if you assume the competition to cheat does it make it fair to also cheat?

This is a good point.

Sparky · 4 Dec 2011 at 10:45

deuse said:
Do you have proof of this?...what you haven't...thought so
I only proof that MSC and Brawn had was the number of people at RB and that RB spent over 800,000 euro for airo for one race.

Actually yes i do, maybe let people answer your posts before answering them yourself. You just make yourself look like a bigger **** than most think you already are

Oh and happy Christmas, i imagine you have a little made up name for Santa too!

deuse · 4 Dec 2011 at 12:00

Sparky-F1 said:
Actually yes i do, maybe let people answer your posts before answering them yourself. You just make yourself look like a bigger **** than most think you already are

Oh and happy Christmas, i imagine you have a little made up name for Santa too!

Well if you have proof post it don't just say you have.
But you gave a Typical childiss remark ..but coming from a RB guy nothing new there.
It is funny how you let rip into members here when they have a go at rb..

EDIT= people here can speak for themselves..they don't need team orders

arknor · 4 Dec 2011 at 16:48

lol RB