Well i think this one was obvious
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/03/29/fia-set-to-extend-drs-zone-for-malaysian-gp/
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/03/29/fia-set-to-extend-drs-zone-for-malaysian-gp/
FIA tweak the DRS
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The only reason DRS works (or would work) is because it's only the following driver who can use it. If anyone could use it at any time it would pretty much negate any overtaking advantage it would provide. Similar to KERS. The only reason it had benefit in 2009 was because only half the field had it.
You could still have it so the driver can use it when they decide but they must qualify for its use.
Still, it's early days for the system. I'm not sure changing it yet is even the right thing to do. I'd have given it a go at Malaysia in its current form.
Still, it's early days for the system. I'm not sure changing it yet is even the right thing to do. I'd have given it a go at Malaysia in its current form.
It did make me laugh that the everyone was eagerly expecting an immediate application of the DRS by Button on the third lap, only for a complete anti-climax.
That said, it did provide a couple of moments later on, so there's obviously something there. Extending the zone and possibly adding a second one makes sense.
That said, it did provide a couple of moments later on, so there's obviously something there. Extending the zone and possibly adding a second one makes sense.
The DRS is in a loose loose situation really. If it doesn't create loads of overtaking, people complain, but if it does, people complain its artificial.
In my view, it should offset the disadvantage of following closely to someone, but not provide to much of an advantage. On very long straights a driver can get a good slip stream without any DRS, so the DRS should mirror this on shorter straights, but not just allow them to drive past half way down the straight.
I fully agree with the FIA not wanting to put it on the back straight in China. This is already a really good overtakign oportunity so it doesnt need it. DRS should be put on straights that without it it are almost, but not quite, overtaking places.
No idea where they are going to put it in Spa! The 2 main 'straights' already have good overtaking places at either end (Les Combes and Bus Stop), as does the start/finish straight...
In my view, it should offset the disadvantage of following closely to someone, but not provide to much of an advantage. On very long straights a driver can get a good slip stream without any DRS, so the DRS should mirror this on shorter straights, but not just allow them to drive past half way down the straight.
I fully agree with the FIA not wanting to put it on the back straight in China. This is already a really good overtakign oportunity so it doesnt need it. DRS should be put on straights that without it it are almost, but not quite, overtaking places.
No idea where they are going to put it in Spa! The 2 main 'straights' already have good overtaking places at either end (Les Combes and Bus Stop), as does the start/finish straight...
Not really as you can't use it on all the corners, so would be up the drivers with the biggest balls to use it early or on more tricky parts and some may get it wrong like Sutil did.
Soldato
Will it make a difference? I thought on long straights, even slip streaming wasn't great because of the rev limiter, won't this just be the same (i.e. by end of straight, both are going as fast as they can)?
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good to see they arent just leaving it and hoping, but actively trying to make it work. I hope they get to grips with a fair system that provides some stunning overtakes (i really want to see 3 car wide DRS overtakes! lol)
Never going to happen unless they start seriously restricting the development of the cars, it's a different era and a different type of racing now than it was in the 70s and 80s.
This is exactly why DRS shouldnt be put on the long straights. It should be on the short ones.
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Given DRS is enabled everywhere during qualifying, I would assume all teams would be running gear ratios set to cover the drag reduction on the straights.
DRS is really fail for the sport imo
I want to see overtaking because of skill, like the old days ..
Not because the guy behind (who may be worse, a lot worse, then the guy infront) has a mechanical / aero advantage over the guy in front.
Judging from Button vs. Massa you should have no concerns.
Personally think its a waste of space - but at least the FIA are trying to make it better
While I appreciate Melbourne pit straight was too short to see a complete over-take due to the DRS , the fact there was little to no desernable difference for anyone along the straight at all (while using it) indicates to me that it doesnt matter how long the active zone is that you allow its use, it wont aid overtaking at all
I hope Malaysia and onwards proves me wrong though
(Personally think Button is clearly better than Massa , even when the latter was at his best - let alone now where he is little better than average. With all the JB haters around here thats likely to be controversial though)
While I appreciate Melbourne pit straight was too short to see a complete over-take due to the DRS , the fact there was little to no desernable difference for anyone along the straight at all (while using it) indicates to me that it doesnt matter how long the active zone is that you allow its use, it wont aid overtaking at all
I hope Malaysia and onwards proves me wrong though
No concern that a better car with an arguably better driver STILL couldnt get past? I would be very concerned if this continued tbh
(Personally think Button is clearly better than Massa , even when the latter was at his best - let alone now where he is little better than average. With all the JB haters around here thats likely to be controversial though)
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No, I quoted the chap who should have no concerns.
the quoted person SHOULD have concerns - thats exactly what Im saying
The Massa / Button tussle showed its currently NOT down to skill to be able to overtake
Make a trophy and we'll try and present it to the drivers after quali!
(if I was going to the race that is...)Realistically it'd be more fun if they opened the system up to be used over the whole racing lap and reward those with the biggest balls (though it still wont prevent a situation like the current red bull where a design is just too well refined to get near sadly)