Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost - 10 years service

bazzabear said:
She's now looking at replacing the car with a newer Fiesta. 1.1 Zetec around the 2017 mark.

Any similar self-lunching issues with that age and engine that I should warn her about?
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still has the ecoboost issues on the fiesta i thought, its the Focus they changed design from 2017
 
Best to avoid these small "eco" petrol engines as they all seem to have wet belts. Not just Ford ones.
 
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Hmm. I am reading the same now. It's not an ecoboost because it has no turbo. But it still has the wet belt.

The 1.25 I think has a chain - but it was dropped for the Mk8, which is what she wants to get into. I think all the engine choices for the Mk8 have a wet belt. :(

Shame, because she loves her Fiesta (and the previous one) except for this issue.

So what car should she be looking at that's similar to a Fiesta, similar age (2017) similar price (£8kish) which doesn't have a massive service bill waiting around the corner?
 
bazzabear said:
The Zetec is an ecoboost engine too, despite not being named as such? Still has the wet belt?
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I think all of them from about 2012 are wet belts. The engines in the ST models are dry belts. They even moved to chains in the mk8 afaik.

Get an ST instead, they aren't that much more expensive to run and it'll last longer :D
 
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bazzabear said:
Hmm. I am reading the same now. It's not an ecoboost because it has no turbo. But it still has the wet belt.

The 1.25 I think has a chain - but it was dropped for the Mk8, which is what she wants to get into. I think all the engine choices for the Mk8 have a wet belt. :(

Shame, because she loves her Fiesta (and the previous one) except for this issue.

So what car should she be looking at that's similar to a Fiesta, similar age (2017) similar price (£8kish) which doesn't have a massive service bill waiting around the corner?
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Newer mild hybrid ones are chain.
 
I think even the revised chain design have a large 10 year service cost since the oil pump belt needs to be replaced, and it's fitted behind the chain :/
 
Nasher said:
This is why people skip belt services or sell the car when it's due.

I remember the claims that these tiny turbo engines were great when they were new. Others saying it will be a bucket of issues. Seems the latter were right :D
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As you I'm sure you know, but they added very small turbos in small petrol engines basically to boost mpg figures, not for any performance or other reasons.

But all the added moving parts is quite a compromise long term, turbos are notorious for failing at some point, way before a regular n/a petrol engine would.

It's ******** really, and typical of more modern cars prioritising politics over performance and reliability.
 
BUDFORCE said:
As you I'm sure you know, but they added very small turbos in small petrol engines basically to boost mpg figures, not for any performance or other reasons.

But all the added moving parts is quite a compromise long term, turbos are notorious for failing at some point, way before a regular n/a petrol engine would.

It's ******** really, and typical of more modern cars prioritising politics over performance and reliability.
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Unfortunately, emissions stats don't factor in the need to replace the whole engine after it goes bang.

As long as it doesn't use much oil or fuel that's all they care about. So that's all the manufacturer cares about :/
 
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Nasher said:
Unfortunately, emissions stats don't factor in the need to replace the whole engine after it goes bang.

As long as it doesn't use much oil or fuel that's all they care about. So that's all the manufacturer cars about :/
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Yup or how many otherwise good cars have been scrapped and have had to be replaced with another car, because that's good for the environment right?


Nothing to do with selling more cars.
 
BUDFORCE said:
Yup or how many otherwise good cars have been scrapped and have had to be replaced with another car, because that's good for the environment right?


Nothing to do with selling more cars.
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There was a different focus back in the 90s and 00s. Which is why the best engines are from that era, even non-exotic ones like the Toyota JZ and ZZ, Honda K-series, etc. are still better than the modern stuff, but less economical because they used chunky metal.
 
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I've just had a wet belt changed for £1800 at a ford dealer - not exactly a great price. Hopefully it'll pay off in the long run but I wouldn't buy one again.

If it wasn't for my strangely unique circumstances, I'd have just replaced the car instead.
 
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EdGey said:
I've just had a wet belt changed for £1800 at a ford dealer - not exactly a great price. Hopefully it'll pay off in the long run but I wouldn't buy one again.

If it wasn't for my strangely unique circumstances, I'd have just replaced the car instead.
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:eek: There's got to have been a local garage that's got themselves into this lucrative little niche that could have saved you half that cash surely.

I know we've got a least one around here that advertises themselves as experts in it and they do it for about £800. Nice little money maker considering how many of these engines there are out there and I guess once you've done it a few times the time taken comes right down.
 
This has got me thinking about my 2017 B-Max now. It's a great little car and I love the engine (125bhp version) but I am not paying £1700-1800 for a belt change. It was supposed to be around a grand a couple of years back and I figured that the prices would come down as they get more speedy with doing them but the opposite has seemingly happened. Now I am thinking about changing cars again while it is still worth something. I would go full electric but £10k isn't going to get me anything newer with a decent range so time to look at hybrids I suppose.
 
tom_e said:
:eek: There's got to have been a local garage that's got themselves into this lucrative little niche that could have saved you half that cash surely.

I know we've got a least one around here that advertises themselves as experts in it and they do it for about £800. Nice little money maker considering how many of these engines there are out there and I guess once you've done it a few times the time taken comes right down.
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It maybe £800, but I very very much doubt that they're replacing what they should.
In fact they can't be unless they are only charging £300 for labour, which I doubt (but could be wrong).
Our sister garage does wet belts, but it's approx £1000-£1200 for the job.
This is a parts list of a job they are doing at the moment, and those prices are trade

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Just to add, that’s what a Ford dealer uses parts wise to do the job correctly.
 
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I made a thread on this a while ago. Might be some other worthwhile info in it. In the end, my son rejected his grandparent's generous sale price of an ecoboost to be passed down to him as I warned him of it needing this work. Even his Grandad who works as a mechanic had not heard of it being so costly. I gently rose the subject with Grandad one day and he said he would get a quote. It came back at £1200+ locally and even he then said he wouldn't bother and will just part ex it in. So they did.
 
part of the reason when we sold the mondeo we bought a cmax 1.5 tdci.
i checked first and knew i could do the belt if needed. same 1.5d in the 2015 on fiesta if you were so minded. that and the 50 plus to the gallon.
would have loved to have gone 1.0turbo on the cmax found loads with perfect spec and colour but nope not with that belt.
 
While I do appreciate the advice about the service - that ship has sailed now I think. She has resolved to change the car.

Although, I've no idea what to now. This news of all newer Fiesta's being wet belt engines has really put a kibosh on her plans.
 
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