***FIFA 10 - PS3 10v10 Clubs***

Soz Guys,

Very busy few weeks with work - you should see the fruits of my labour soon :p

Also got LV next week and my Dads 60th so not had any time for gaming.

Sunday and Tuesday might be the only time before I head off...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
I found my FIFA playing recently has been 1 week on, 1 week off with a bad case of RAGE. My fiancee encourages me to play it when she's out because the swearing puts her off her books. :p
 
God I was crap as ANY last night - hoping people still think CPU ANY with 5 defenders is an ok compromise til we find an epic regular ANY. BTW my forms are broken when Im captain as they swap VPs for no reason...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
I was happy to play CPU any, we had an easy win and a narrow defeat then it was decided that it didn't work... I wasn't entirely sure why?

The formations that skip has set up work well for CPU any, but we are always going to come across some teams which can just walk though a CPU defence, but in general we have more success with than without!
 
I haven't won a match in 3 days of FIFA, think it's a 12 game losing streak I'm on at the moment. The streak started as soon as I reached my highest level yet, since then everything I do seems to go wrong. I've hit the posts more times than my opponents have scored goals, it gets a bit ridiculous sometimes.
 
This game is a strange one... lost a few more games followed by one in which I was 8-2 up before my opponent quit. The balancing or whatever goes on doesn't usually bother me but in the last few days it has been a bit ridiculous. Why can't two people just play without the game interfering when it sees fit?
 
Firstly, sorry for the Fifa rage yesterday which may or may not have caused Skippi to leave. :p :( Oh and secondly sorry if this is TLDR but hopefully someone will have a read through it.

I was frustrated with our performances of late and felt we need to do something to shake it up and start winning more consistently. I don't think it's purely down to individual's performances though I will be the first to admit that last night I didn't have a very good time of it and gave the ball away much more than usual. Lag can be attributed to that at times but I still had some bad decision makes in terms of when to pass and when to sprint.

I wasn't trying to single out anybodies performances, so now that I've gotten that out of the way lets talk about something else.

I think we need some new tactics for when there are 4 of us playing. More often than not there are 4 of us and I think Skips custom form with the RCM, CAM, LS, RS is only working when there are 3 of us. We tried a few things last night after Skippi left which was a start and as long as we're trying different things then that's fine. I did suggest a 4-4-2 but that didn't work out very well and we seemed to be very exposed defensively so I'm resigned to the fact that we'll need 5 defenders and a holding midfield player, leaving the rest of the team in attacking positions.

Jonny gave a go at making a 4-3-3 type form and the defense seemed slightly better than on the 4-4-2 but again we were a little exposed and I think offensively stretched. So what are the thoughts on trying something else? Personally I think it's needed but it's upto you lot, I don't want to dictate if it isn't what everyone else wants too. I hate losing and lately we've been doing more losing than winning and not every team we play deserves to beat us even though they still end up doing it.

I'm going to suggest a few things for us to try and if they don't work then that's fine just as long as we try something to shake up our poor form. Other teams have beaten us even when their individual players haven't been on very good form and I think that's more down to tactics and playing high percentage plays. I think at times, more often than not we are trying to make the difficult, risky play, instead of the easy and simple play. I want us to just pass it to whoever is available instead of looking out individual players, I think we need to not be scared of passing backwards either. At the moment we seem to rely on a pass from the defence to either wing, and then rushing up the wing to deliver a cross. That's fine but we need a plan B when that isn't working. Any suggestions?

I'm going to have a stab at making a form later on and hopefully there'll be the regular other 3 players on later tonight to try it. I'm going to try a 5 man defense with a holding midfielder and then 4 offense. Probably consisting of a LF, CF, RF and finally ST in front of the CF. The only problem will be linking the defense and the forwards and I'm not sure if that holding midfielder will be able to do that very well, especially if it's under CPU control so I made need to change that form a little bit if it isn't working immediately. Another problem I have is that it's hard to tell if something is working by only giving it 1 or 2 games as obviously the generic CPU players change, the opponents change and there are so many varying factors that we need to give something a proper go before we dismiss. Perhaps we should all come up with a new formation / tactics and then try each one for at least 4 or 5 games.

I think everybody was frustrated yesterday evening and I'm sorry if I was the one who looked like I have a bad temper, or no patience. That's not true, I just hate losing, and I don't take it well, especially when we are better than a lot of other teams out there.
 
Sorry for the double post. I've just had a sit down and created a custom form. It's uploaded as well if anyone wants to try it out or look at it. It's 5-4-1 with all defenders work rates set to low attacking and highest possible defending. The same with the CDM and I've made the wing backs retreat in toward the box while defending which should stop most cut back chances. All the other defenders and the CDM will retreat backwards when defending although they are sat as far back as possible already.

For the human positions I've given us a CAM, RAM, LAM and a ST up the middle. The CAM is fairly high up and the LAM/RAM's aren't right out on the wing, they're somewhere inbetween the middle of the pitch and the outsides, just to allow them to play through balls to the ST. Hopefully the striker shouldn't be isolated because the LAM and RAM are setup more as LF and RF's, they are only LAM and RAM by name as when I set RF and LF it wanted them pushed right in which would have left us really narrow.

Anyway it's up in the custom formations and I've assigned all the kicks to the CAM and the penalties to the ST so hopefully they will stay assigned that way and not end up reverting to the CB's. If for any reason it keeps switching our VP's like the last form I made then maybe someone can download it and use it for us instead.
 
But, yes I did leave because of all the rage flying about last night. Nothing drains the fun out of it quite like people constantly muttering "**** sake" when they haven't received a pass or someone has lost the ball. It adds pressure and just winds me up. As does the sliding constantly which results in me doing the same out of frustration.

I couldn't care less about the result as in a lot of the games yesterday, we were just outplayed by better teams.

You talk about playing the simple passes rather than always trying the riskier through balls or chips, and I would put balls down the channels to a lone player up front in this category as it's near impossible to hold the ball up effectively in this, unless you're Beenom. But when you know that you're going to have people getting ****ed because they haven't received the ball, it forces you into trying these things. I'm more than happy to play the ball backwards and often do if I'm feeling relaxed with the CPU's play.

As for the formations, there's nothing wrong with the formations we were using. They're the same formations that made us jump so many levels so quickly to where we are now. Of course it's going to be more difficult now that we're in the high 20's pushing into the 30's. What doesn't help is the negativity or the berating of others. The teams we've played that we've heard do this over comms have all lost. What does that tell you?

At the end of the day, I'm only going to play if it's fun, and the past while, all I've felt is pressure and frustration. Play for the laughs, not the points.
 
Hmm. Perhaps yesterday did get a bit heated and pressured but there was good reason. It's no fun for anyone if we're just turning up for a battering night after night. I don't mind what we do it's up to everyone else I'm just giving my 2 pence. I've already made a formation now so we can try it or not, if you guys want to keep using the one we've been using all along then that's fine with me, if it's what everyone else wants.

I just wish everyone would voice their opinion in Chat rather than leave and send messages to just one other squad member. I agree with the comms thing, a few times last night I did voice my frustration but that isn't aimed at anybody in particular I was just annoyed at the game. From now on I think I'll not get angry over comms because as you rightly say it just makes people feel more pressured and if anything I'd say that brings more mistakes and negativity and makes it no fun for anyone so sorry about that.

Anyways, new form or no new form, I've been practicing a bit today and hopefully I'll be able to pass for **** if we all decide to play later on. :)

I'm not after any heated arguments or disagreements, and I guess if we have fun while losing at least we've had a laugh. I'm up for club again tonight and I'll take your points on board Skip.

Oh.. and lets change the kit, this one is bad luck! :p
 
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I dont think a form change helps - all it does its give us empty hope and where it works for a few days we go back to the same losing ways hiccupped by a few wins due to either poor opposition or a good defence - we are the Man City of FIFA.

We need to change our playing style and to be blunt Im tired of watching the same people play the same way since FIFA 10 came out. Theres no creativity, no invention, no reading of the game - its just 'if I do this, I can do this action and if I get here/or am nearly tackled, I can do this action' - rinse and repeat...

Weve seen how other teams beat us but we dont follow/learn the same approach and just keep to the same tired script. My unsorted list (not exhaustive):

We need to keep possession more even if that means backpasses to the CPU;
Try not to turn into a tackle (a lot harder than it sounds in FIFA 10);
Reduce usage of r stick as FIFA 10 seems to penalise you and favour the defender from a standing start;
Get rid of most of the tricks because 9/10 times they arent needed in a situation and the failure of them just negates some of the above points - I think skilled dribbling is still a tool but never seen enough in Club to see its advantage;
Be more aware of your support up front especially in front of goal - if you really care that YOU have to score rather than another team member then I dont think this Club will suit you - you wont get glory if you miss when someone was better placed for a tap in;
Use FIFA 10 bugs to your advantage - we all know what they are;
Keep it simple - dont always look for the most complicated way to do something;
Dont ask for the ball from CPU if you arent in an unbroken line of sight as the majority of the times it will lead to conceding possession;
Dont ask for the ball if you are behind the play since other players might be making runs expecting/asking for the ball and you break the move dead (I notice this a lot when its 4ppl games - doesnt happen as much in 3pl games as we expect the CAM to join up play most of the time so asks for ball);
Let the CPU settle before asking for the ball;
When the CPU is taking a FK make sure someone in a good position asks for it otherwise the default pass will be turned;
Look for the early ground pass/cross or cutback - it means the defence havent got time to setup and you are more likely to have a goal scoring chances if they keep onside;
Dont run with the ball for the sake of it - if someones forward of you or in space, use them;
Dont take peoples space or go into areas that for your position you shouldnt be there for in the first place;
Most importantly SPEAK UP...

I honestly feel like Im one of the few that bothers to mix up my play (Im still far too formulaic for my liking) dependent on the opponents (I dont think I do when Im playing with different Club members and I need to work on that) by just looking at whats happening around me and playing what I think is the percentage pass or a riskier pass that might lead to a goal. The selfishness in front of goal though is what winds me up the most and its an issue OldHTK identified in FIFA09 over a year ago (goal vision) and for some people that still hasnt changed and these are indicative of our problems - we ALL havent really grown as a team, though in certain combinations Ive noticed we are deadly...

Its the main reason why Ive asked to rotate as people expect to be in certain positions, expect to rely on very limited skills that suit them in that particular position which means that if they need to do anything else they are just found wanting or when they are off form it really impacts the team. We all need to be complete players as we dont always all play together and in positions we want to play in all the time - so at least when you are called upon to do something different you can adapt...

Anyway back to formations - the way I see it is with 3ppl it has to be with CPU ANY and Skips forms is as good as its gonna get - yes its narrow and yes when the opponents have bodies through the centre its hard to make chances. Perhaps we should changes the dpad weighting to try and get the CPU to come forward more to assist with joined up passing. This form Ive seen work epically with the right balance of skills of the people involved...

For 4ppl its far more tougher as we were trying to keep to CPU ANY - I think where we can use a Human ANY we should as its far more decisive usually. Form wise I would put forward the 4132 (CDM, AMs and 2 STs) we have used which seems to be very attacking but leaves the DEF-ATT movement very stretched; or a narrow 41221 so with a CDM, 2 CMs and then a tight LF, RF and ST unit which may mean easier linked play...

Think thats it - agree/disagree at your leisure with my points - all I can say is at least Ive continual put effort into moving this Club forward and where we have issues tried to come up with solutions and not just identifying more problems...

Personally playing every night just makes it even more difficult to get out of a rut - so like I said at the start of the season considering all the other games I really want to play Im gonna reduce my FIFA nights so least Im fresh and hungry to play, rather than thinking I should be playing out of duty...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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