'Final' 6990 specs

[kylew]

Ironically, minus Crysis, faster.

Ironically?

 

[Martini1991]

Ironically?

Two 5850's beating a 5970 in pretty much everything bar Crysis?
How ISN'T that ironic?
The more expensive better specc'ed card getting beat?

 

[kylew]

Two 5850's beating a 5970 in pretty much everything bar Crysis?
How ISN'T that ironic?
The more expensive better specced card getting beat?

Two 5850s beating a 5970 doesn't make sense, but it's certainly not ironic, ironic is the last thing you'd call it really...

Ironic doesn't even come close to representing that situation.

 

[jigger]

I thought of one last way to try and point out where Jigger's wrong, then I'm giving up.

Jigger, do you realise that you are trying to argue that somehow 2x1 > 1x2.

AMD sell Sapphire 100 cores, if they end up in 50 6990 cards, or 100 6970 cards, its still 100 cores sold. The 6990 is 6970 Xf on one card, thats all, your argument, was that if the 6990 was too good, it would eat into 6970 xf sales, can you really not see the flaw in your argument, essentially too many 6970xf(one card) sales, will eat into 6970xf(two card version) sales.

Ok, thats it, I'm out, my brain can't take any more and if Jiggers correct the entire mathematical system we've used for millenia will need to be thrown out of the window.

EDIT:- The ONLY issue I have with the rejigged AMD naming scheme, is I'm so damn used to typing 5870 that I keep typing 6870 when I mean 6970

DM. I'm going to break this down like this.

If the HD6990 offers more value than a HD6970 people will save the extra and buy the card.

Two problems,

1, HD6970 gets left on shelf.
2, It takes longer to make a sale as we all know it take longer to shift higher priced cards.

Or they start looking at another options and ATI drop the sale. A weak or badly priced HD6970 *WILL* cost ATI sales one way or another. If you cant see my point then I also agree that your wrong, and give up, apart from the bit about the numbering system.

 

[Martini1991]

DM. I'm going to break this down like this.

If the HD6990 offers more value than a HD6970 people will save the extra and buy the card.

Two problems,

1, HD6970 gets left on shelf.
2, It takes longer to make a sale as we all know it take longer to shift higher priced cards.

Or they start looking at another options and ATI drop the sale. A weak or badly priced HD6970 *WILL* cost ATI sales one way or another. If you cant see my point then I also agree that your wrong, and give up, apart from the bit about the numbering system.

Always been that way.

 

[Lightnix]

I think if AMD are having the problem where they have trouble selling one of their products because their other one is selling too well, rather than one of Nvidia's products selling too well, then that's probably the best problem they could hope for.

 

[kylew]

DM. I'm going to break this down like this.

If the HD6990 offers more value than a HD6970 people will save the extra and buy the card.

Two problems,

1, HD6970 gets left on shelf.
2, It takes longer to make a sale as we all know it take longer to shift higher priced cards.

Or they start looking at another options and ATI drop the sale. A weak or badly priced HD6970 *WILL* cost ATI sales one way or another. If you cant see my point then I also agree that your wrong, and give up, apart from the bit about the numbering system.

I don't think it works that simply, what if some one wants a 6970 but isn't willing to go for a 6990 even if it is better value? There are people who don't like multiple GPU setups, and there is more of a chance of some one buying a 6970 than a 6990 as I'd expect there'll be at least £100 difference in price.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I don't think it works that simply, what if some one wants a 6970 but isn't willing to go for a 6990 even if it is better value? There are people who don't like multiple GPU setups, and there is more of a chance of some one buying a 6970 than a 6990 as I'd expect there'll be at least £100 difference in price.

He seems to be completely ignoring the fact that exponentially more people are willing to buy a £300 card, even if its worse value than a £500 pound card in price/performance, that has ALWAYS been the way and NEVER been a problem.

THe 5870/480gtx were HORRIBLY priced cards, 10% more performance 50% higher cost than their marginally slower versions.

But he's also COMPLETELY changed his argument, AMD sell CORES not CARDS, Sapphire won't make twenty trillion 6970's and then see how demand is, life's not like that. They'll get in X amount, put 80-90% into 6970's and the rest into 6990's, because thats probably the rough sales breakdown.

The 5970 is MASSIVELY better value than a 5870, the 4870x2 is massively better value than a 4870 1gb card, the 295gtx was better value than a 285gtx, this is how the industry works, and has done for as long as I can remember.

Jigger's argument was, too many 6990 sales hurts 6970 sales AND THEREFORE the 6990 can't be too close in performance to 6970xf. Again his argument was, 6970xf(in one card as a 6990 with TWO 6970 cores bought from AMD) will really hurt AMD's sales of 6870xf(in one card, as two separate 6970 cores.

Its a very silly argument, 2x5850's is massively better value than a 5970 was and a 5870 single or xfire, 3x5850's was better value and better performance as 2x5870, both setups would cost the same. 470gtx sli rips the 580gtx to pieces in both price and performance, is no one at all buying 580gtx's, are (what few there are) basically sold out worldwide, sure, because some people buy the single fastest gpu, some buy the single fastest card, some people buy the best value, some people buy 4 cheap cards for the fun of it, some people won't ever spend more than £40 on a 2nd hand card.

Your argument time and time again neglects, personal choice, the fact that people can't afford more expensive cards, that the VAST majority of gpu buyers DO NOT go multi GPU at all nor the fact that again its been pointed out and ignored, you're comparing AMD selling two cores, to AMD selling two identical cores and somehow figuring out one is worse than the other.

Having a great value card doesn't negate or wipe out sales of another card, some people can afford £500, most can't, some can afford £400, most can't, etc, etc, with the numbers who "can" afford it increasing at every price level.

 

[straxusii]

I think you're right when you say the 6970 is going to be a slower clock speed, but I guess now one know how downclocking is going to take place util it hits the shops.

Absolutely, all speculation at the moment. Current speculation I have seen is a 900Mhz 6970 and 775Mhz 6990, 6990 being 2 6970 cores.

 

[BigBruiserAl]

I don't think it works that simply, what if some one wants a 6970 but isn't willing to go for a 6990 even if it is better value? There are people who don't like multiple GPU setups, and there is more of a chance of some one buying a 6970 than a 6990 as I'd expect there'll be at least £100 difference in price.

Agree i went 1 5770>2 5770> 3 5770 > 1 5870> 2 5870 i will never ever get another ATI multi gpu set up, but will consider happliy go with the fastest single card from ATI or Nvidia