Finally a judge with some sense?

She makes a perfectly valid point. I got beaten up quite badly when wandering around drunk in a place I was unfamiliar with. Gyppos mugged me and stamped my head a bit. Obviously they are scum but I realise I was stupid to be in that state and an easy target.


People should surely be aware that if you make yourself vulnerable you're likely to get chosen as a target.

Its common sense.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I don't think anyone is saying rape is due to women being too intoxicated, we're saying it only encourages men to commit it ...it's nothing new or groundbreaking....the triggered brigade think she's victim blaming as their social media degree didn't enhance their reading comprehension.
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I strongly disagree with your opinion, and in particular the part highlighted in bold I find contradictory. You claim drunk women encourage men to rape them, then you get all uppity when your comments are correctly categorised as "victim blaming".

If you think drunk women encourage men to rape them, then I have no interest in discussing the subject any further with you.
 
There's no need to discuss it further, as clearly you're lacking the reading comprehension I eluded to in my previous post.

Is it really that difficult to see how a rapist would see a heavily intoxicated woman as an easy target? I'm not talking about just drunk women, I've clearly stated in my posts those who drink to the point they don't know what they're doing.
 
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The bint was on amyl nitrate as well.... Jeez, how people can say the judge was misguided
suggesting women like her are putting themselves at greater risk I don't know. No sympathy,
you see scantily clad, paralytic young women doing honest prostitutes out of a job all the time. No wonder
they bring situations upon themselves that get out of hand.
 
Being drunk is a risk factor, but conversations of this kind usually seem to veer way past that into the realms of victim blaming. That's the problem. It contributes to the "she was asking for it" mentality and the idea that women are inherently at danger from men who can't be stopped. It assumes that rape is inevitable and that the end goal is just to make sure it isn't you that gets raped.
 
Chris Wilson said:
The bint was on amyl nitrate as well.... Jeez, how people can say the judge was misguided
suggesting women like her are putting themselves at greater risk I don't know. No sympathy,
you see scantily clad, paralytic young women doing honest prostitutes out of a job all the time. No wonder
they bring situations upon themselves that get out of hand.
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Cards on the table, mate: are you a legit psychopath?

No sympathy...
 
String said:
If you think that's a relevant or accurate analogy then I suggest you may be a little hard of thinking.

Women should be free to dress how they like and socialise without being accused of encouraging men to rape them. What next? Should we ban Wonder Bras and insist on skirts that extend to between the knee and ankle? Should we create a drink-drive alcohol style limit to women who are considering a night out?

Rather than advise women to drink less, maybe we should consider discouraging men from raping them in the first place?
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She didn't mention anything about dress. The way someone dresses should have nothing to do with this. Being overly intoxicated is a different matter however.

Being drunk increases your risk of being a victim of crime, statistics show that. That crime includes everything from mugging, to physical and sexual assault. To try and bring dress into this conversation is to try and shut down any reasonable discourse about the issues with drinking and crime.

Counter to that the comments like those of Chris above don't help matters either. You don't blame a mugging victim because he was going around in only a pair of shorts and showing his six pack do you?

The reality is as well that in many violence, sexual assault and rape cases (because you can't really have different standards for one but not the other regarding "blame") both parties are heavily intoxicated. This means the victim is less able to extricate themselves (or puts themselves in the position in the first place) from a dodgy situation and causes reduced inhibitions and impaired reasoning in the attacker, whether that be someone spilling their pint causing an extreme reaction, or ending up with someone else and ignoring their comments or actions regarding consent.

Note, that's not to say I'm comparing spilling a drink to rape, rather suggesting the same mechanisms can apply due to intoxication.

Basically alcohol is pretty nasty ****, is one of the most damaging drugs in society, but because of historical reasonings it isn't banned. Removing alcohol from the equation isn't going to stop all rapes, as it won't stop all violent crime, but it is likely to reduce the prevalence of it happening in many cases.
 
With the country awash with young male migrants from countries where women are covered head to toe it is prudent for the more sensible women to not get them too excited by going out dressed as a two bit hooker. Their reaction to women and alcohol is well publicised throughout European news media. Whilst this is a far from ideal situation, they are here. And that apart the reality is dressing provocatively, becoming intoxicated on drink and drugs or speaking to any strange males in the early hours whilst in such a state can lead to unfortunate consequences. And when the rape perpetrator's defence barrister typically states that "My client is from a different country and culture, not long landed here, with very different values and very unused to seeing scantily clad women in a state of insobriety", it bodes well for sensible women to be wary of getting into an assault and later a court case with such people and their defendants. Only an overdose of political correctness could make anyone say a young woman, on drugs and having taken excess alcohol cavorting with strange young males in a fast food place in the early hours is a responsible and sensible course of action in this day and age. But it's their choice, and their risk, if their parents and friends have no opinion and control over the matter.
 
String said:
I strongly disagree with your opinion, and in particular the part highlighted in bold I find contradictory. You claim drunk women encourage men to rape them, then you get all uppity when your comments are correctly categorised as "victim blaming".

If you think drunk women encourage men to rape them, then I have no interest in discussing the subject any further with you.
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If I was drunk in the street at night clearly out of it and someone knew I had a large wad of cash on me would it be any suprise if I ended up getting mugged.

Simarlarly if two women are walking late at night one is blind drunk the other is sober, who do you think is more likely to become the victim of any would be rapist? That's all the Judge was trying to say, if you are drunk then you are more vulnerable to attacks or incidents of any sort, whether you are male or female.

This is not a difficult concept to understand.
 
Faustus said:
If I was drunk in the street at night clearly out of it and someone knew I had a large wad of cash on me would it be any suprise if I ended up getting mugged.

Simarlarly if two women are walking late at night one is blind drunk the other is sober, who do you think is more likely to become the victim of any would be rapist? That's all the Judge was trying to say, if you are drunk then you are more vulnerable to attacks or incidents of any sort, whether you are male or female.

This is not a difficult concept to understand.
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It is for the so called social justice warriors who seem to think women should be able to stand
naked outside a late night bar and attract nothing more than a polite nod. I note the police commissionaire
criticising the retired judges sage comments is a Ms. Just saying.... :)
 
Pray tell is Chris, what proportion of rapists are immigrants in the UK?

Do you really need to bring immigration into every topic you touch?
 
Chris Wilson said:
It is for the so called social justice warriors who seem to think women should be able to stand
naked outside a late night bar and attract nothing more than a polite nod. I note the police commissionaire
criticising the retired judges sage comments is a Ms. Just saying.... :)
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You forgot to say the Northumbria PCC doing the moaning is also a former Labour MP Ms Baird. Just saying......;)
 
Chris Wilson said:
It is for the so called social justice warriors who seem to think women should be able to stand
naked outside a late night bar and attract nothing more than a polite nod. I note the police commissionaire
criticising the retired judges sage comments is a Ms. Just saying.... :)
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Would you struggle to restrain yourself in the presence of a naked woman?

I'm also curious what you think the police commissioner's marital status has to do with anything.
 
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